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Post by kmik on Jan 26, 2019 12:48:38 GMT -6
From timelines and reports it appears that Marty was admitted into the Reno VA Hospital around the week of March 13,1981 (according to Dee Lake) or March 16, 1981 (according to a timeline entry). Either way Marty was apparently admitted to the Reno VA Hospital in mid March 1981.
The therapist said he was working as a counselor and mental health outpatient therapist in a public agency in Reno, NV. If true then:
1. All of those weekly sessions with the counselor was at this outpatient Vet Center (readjustment facility)- which had just opened in Reno in February or March of 1981 and was sponsored by, but separate from, the VA Hospital. Marty's sessions were with a counselor (not a psychiatrist) at the Vet Center not the VA Hospital.
2. In 1981 this outpatient center consisted of one director and 2 counselors (also vets themselves) and saw around 50 patients a week. The director said the heart of the program was vets counseling other vets and to keep the center informal and free from too much red tape.
3. The center provided individual rap sessions, a support group for recovering alcoholics, counseling for couples, advice from a job counselor, information on how to get food stamps, veteran administration benefits or other help, or it could "simply be a place to get a cup of coffee and talk to someone who spent a year or more of his life trying not to get killed in a jungle halfway around the world". Many vets came to the center just for coffee and conversation.
4. While the counselor was familiar with PTSD we found no evidence that he was qualified to diagnose it.
The counselor did go on to work with a law enforcement agency and seems to be a decent person. We do believe his heart was in the right place when he gave that interview to Josh along with Sheila and 3 others. According to the therapist he'd already had private conversations with Josh before the interview so how much info did Josh use to jog his 29 year old memory? Josh said on the documentary that he found no evidence that the Cheeseman report was ever followed up on (although we know it was) so did he tell that to the therapist leading him to believe there was no report to contradict whatever he told?
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 26, 2019 16:53:21 GMT -6
The funny thing is, Johnny Sharp was also supposedly "missing" that same week. That's quite a coincidence, considering that Marty supposedly threatened to "break Johnny's hands" and then--supposedly--killed Johnny a month after this "VA Hospital" trip.
Another funny thing is, the reporter on that 2011 story says he saw the DOJ report and according to that report, this "Reno therapist" told them that Marty DID NOT "confess" to any "murders." McNarie and Gamberg claim that proves Bradley and Crim were "corrupt" and filed that report to "cover" for Bo. And that the ANONYMOUS interview on Josh's documentary is the "truth." BUT--the story he tells on that documentary is not only flat contradicted by the autopsy reports, but also flat contradicted by "Doctor" Cheesman's statement AND Marty's own statements, where he mentions CORRECT details about the crime (that he probably heard from Justin, or maybe Doug Thomas, but we just don't know for sure) that the "confession" story on the doc not only gets wrong, but are obviously picked up from erroneous newspaper stories, NOT from "the killer."
My point (as someone with quite a bit of experience) is this: We can prove that the 30-year old "memory" of this "therapist" is just flat wrong. TWO ways, not just "DOJ cover-up." And remember--this "confession" is 99 percent of the "case" against Marty. There is NO corroborating evidence, and as far we can see, Marty and Bo have a pretty airtight alibi for the time of the murders.
So, how/why does this Cheesman call PCSO May 11 to report this hearsay "confession?" I didn't realize until just now that BOTH Cheesman and the "Reno therapist" LIVED IN PLUMAS at the time. Not Reno. Not only are they hearing and reading about this crime EVERYDAY, but the "Reno therapist" (who later became a cop, NOT a psychologist) most likely participated in the searches for Tina. He may have even been a PCSO reserve officer or something. And between Marty, Marilyn, Justin, and Casey, I'll bet credits to navy beans that CHEESMAN KNEW THE SMARTTS ALREADY. And I'll double down that it was NOT the "Reno therapist" who personally told Cheesman about this "confession," but MARILYN. Or, maybe Marilyn told the Reno therapist about it, but why would he tell Cheesman one story, and the DOJ another? No, I'm betting Cheesman heard it from Marilyn.
I mean, if Marilyn didn't have a shrink, I'll eat my hat. And if not Cheesman, who?
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Post by kmik on Jan 26, 2019 20:06:28 GMT -6
Tom, at the time Cheeseman was working in Plumas/Lassen counties. I think he actually lived in Susanville.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 26, 2019 21:42:17 GMT -6
So, this "Reno therapist" ALSO lived in Susanville, if he was neighbor to Cheesman. But Cheesman was seeing patients in Plumas, right? So no doubt he did that in Quincy, maybe two days a week or whatever. He was probably the consulting shrink for whatever mental health center they had. He must have known any number of residents, including Dana. He probably did all the psych evals for PCSO. He may have been involved in placing Dana in foster care. If at any point Marilyn pushed Marty into some kind of care, Cheesman would have been the guy in Plumas. It just seems funny to me that he would take it upon himself to call CA DOJ over SOMEONE ELSE'S "patient."
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Post by kmik on Jan 27, 2019 18:22:00 GMT -6
Dr. Cheeseman lived in Susanville, not sure about the Reno counselor. I know the report said they were neighbors just not sure if that was in Susanville (who knows maybe Cheeseman had a vacation home). Don't know if Marty or Marilyn were ever patients of Cheeseman, but we've certainly wondered about Marilyn.
According to the report and documentary Cheeseman is the one who called the PCSO not the DOJ. According to the documentary, the Reno counselor is the one who called the DOJ and supposedly did not want to call PCSO because of the alleged friendship Marty allegedly told him he had with Doug Thomas. Makes me wonder why, if Marty was such great pals with Doug, would his good buddy ever even asked him to take a polygraph?
If the Reno counselor did call the DOJ was it before or after Cheeseman reported this to the PCSO? According to the counselor, Marty confessed, the counselor called the DOJ that afternoon, Marty walked in 3 days later without an appointment to tell him he had taken a job with the carnival, then the weekend came and on Monday the DOJ were in his office around 8:30. Having the dates on all of this would be nice (the counselor's "timeline" is hard to follow)
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 28, 2019 8:07:47 GMT -6
Especially when the timelines are not all that accurate, anyway. But we now know a few things:
1. Assuming the guy on Josh's doc is the same "counselor" (and we don't know that he is) then he's telling a totally different story (ANONYMOUSLY) from the one he told DOJ (according the reporter who said he read the report.)
2. If the reporter really did see (why would HE lie about that?) the DOJ report of the Reno counselor's statement, then Josh, Gamberg, and Hagwood ALSO SAW IT. Maaayyyyyybe not McNarie, because we have no way of knowing exactly what was in the box he got from Josh, but there is NO WAY the others haven't seen it. Unless, of course:
3. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif Josh's box did not have ALL the files in it, then that of course would prove TWO (or more) sets of files. The ones that make Marty look "guilty," and the ones that suggest he's NOT guilty. And that suggests PCSO (and Hagwood is the one on camera doing it) LET Josh "sneak" that box out the door. And that would mean THEY deliberately tried to frame Marty even BEFORE Josh walked in the door.
4. And this DOJ report is NOT the only file "missing" from Josh's doc, McNarie's website, etc. The ME's opinion on the times of death of the victims is another crucial file that most likely tends to clear Marty and Bo. What else? Good question. But we KNOW one thing--if that reporter saw the DOJ report on the counselor, then PCSO STILL HAVE IT. It was NOT "lost" or "destroyed" by Josh OR McNarie. And that means that Gamberg and Hagwood either have NOT actually read the files themselves--or they are LYING about them.
5. So, if Hagwood, Gamberg, and whoever else, are deliberately framing Marty and Bo, then the next question is, who are they COVERING for? "Accidentally," or not, they are COVERING for the real killer(s) by deliberately framing Marty.
6. Who?
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Post by kmik on Nov 23, 2019 21:56:22 GMT -6
There's been a lot of discussion about exactly how Marty met BO at the VA Hospital if Bo was never in the hospital and that he must have known him before hand but supposedly following Marty's VA Hospital stay he had many weekly counselling sessions at the VA outpatient center (which was not at the hospital) and it is possible that this is where he picked up Bo. This was a place where vets could walk in off the streets just to have a cup of coffee and discuss life with other vets. Bo was the scammer - Marty needed money and had access to a car - Bo needed a place to stay.
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