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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 1:58:09 GMT -6
And the youtube website or im referring to the Keddie28.com he's insisting that Marty and Bo did it.I sometimes think he's Justin or maybe someone connected to Justin. And with the way he replies to comments, he's actually very rude. He keepsbtargeting Marty, Bo and Dee Lake. And even the guy with a curly hair, I saw it n his facebook page.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 2:30:26 GMT -6
I hope you can also post some information about Sue's personality on how she raised those kids and the place where she grew up if she grew up with cruel parents or any kind of history and also her husband's background, if he really is abusive. We need to trace their behavior too so we can think about why those kids really killed Sue. But Sue, even if she became a bad parent (if ever) she didn't deserved to be killed. And hey a law will always be a law, whoever you are even if ur a child, a disabled person, a pregnant woman or a very old person, if you kill someone then you're the killer and we cannot change that fact even if it is shameful. So if the kids killed Sue, then they're the killer, no need to cover up for them and frame up other (innocent) people. I sometimes even wonder how the hell Justin can still live his life. To think that it's pretty traumatic too but maybe he really has no conscience at all..
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 3:04:51 GMT -6
By the way I saw this article..
Also, here is a criminal behavior profile of the murderer(s), as written by one of my authors, John Douglas - former chief of criminal profiling at the FBI:
UNSUB; TINA SHARP-VICTIM POSSIBLE KIDNAPPING (00: SACRAMENTO)
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE ATTACHED ANALYSIS IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A THOROUGH AND WELL-PLANNED INVESTI- GATION AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED ALL INCLUSIVE. THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IS BASED UPON REVIEWING, ANALYZING, AND RESEARCHING CRIMINAL CASES SIMILAR TO THE CASE SUB- MITTED BY THE REQUESTING AGENCY. THE FINAL ANALYSIS IS BASED UPON PROBABILITIES NOTING, HOWEVER, THAT NO TWO CRIMINAL ACTS OR CRIMINAL PERSONALITIES ARE EXACTLY ALIKE AND THEREFORE Tl-IE OFFENDER AT TIMES MAY NOT ALWAYS FIT THE PROFILE IN EVERY CATEGORY.
The following psychological profile was prepared by SA John E. Douglas of the FBl's Behavioral Science Unit. This profile is based upon the personal research conducted by SA Douglas and other members of the Behavioral Science Unit. It should be noted that this profile is based upon certain "probabilities" and suspects developed by your department may fit this profile in part or whole.
Victimology Noting the personal background of each of these victims, they all could be categorized as a "high risk" to be the recipient of a violent crime. Victim Dana Wingate, however, appears to fit a prior pattern of behavior that could very definitely lead him down a self- destructive path. His previous antisocial acts, which stem from a poor family upbringing, were such that his only associates would in all probability be very much like himself. He is a diabetic and is known to have tortured animals. In all probability, Wingate had a poor self-image and was involved in criminal offenses that may have not been known by police agencies. Wingate in all probability, in- volved himself in criminal offenses to include burglary and arson.
Crime Scene The crime scene reflects that the offender responsible for these murders exhibited great control if he, in fact, acted alone. The crime scene reflects that he did not precisely plan on killing all the victims. With exception of a .177-caliber pellet recovered at the crime scene, all of the "weapons" appear to have come from the residence of the victims (i.e., steak knife, hammer, etc.). This indicates that killing the victims was in all probability an after- thought.
In order for the subject to gain and maintain control of the victims, he would have had to have some assistance. It appears that victim Dana Wingate was not killed in the same fashion as the other two victims (beaten but not stabbed) and was made comfortable by re- ceiving a cushion from the couch to rest his head on prior to his own execution. Wingate may have been utilized to assist in the binding of the victims. Statements made by associates support the fact that he would probably succumb if threatened rather than strike back at an assailant.
Blood is observed on the feet of Glenna Sharp to indicate she was alive when she walked in a pool of blood. This profiler does not know at this writing whose blood was on the feet of Glenna Sharp, noting that this information could modify this profile.
According to investigative reports, Glenna Sharp was covered with a blanket after she was killed. This blanket came from her bed. This one act on the part of this offender(s) is probably the key as to who is responsible for the murders in part or whole.
Summary This triple homicide appears to be without any motive. Neither sex nor money was the motivating factor. The crime scene reflects anger and rage on one hand and remorse and guilt on the other. It appears at this point that there is more than one murderer involved in this triple homicide.
Offender Profile The offender responsible for this triple homicide did not initially plan on killing. It was an afterthought as evidenced by the weapons he selected. All weapons could be referred to as Weapons of Opportunity. This offender knew his victims, particularly John and Glenna Sharp.
This offender was motivated by his commitment and love for Tina Sharp. He loves her like a father. In all probability, Tina Sharp was planning on running away with him. She had nothing left at home and it was obvious, according to witnesses, that her mother no longer had control of her family.
It was Tina Sharp who probably went to her mother's bedroom after she was killed, got a blanket from her bed, and covered her mother with same. Tina Sharp, at 12 years of age, may have had conflicts with her mother like many pre-adolescent girls at that age. However, since the homicide, she has probably demonstrated a great deal of remorse and guilt. Her feelings will be in direct conflict with her abductor and may lead to her own death if her abductor feels that she may go to the police.
If Tina Sharp is still alive, she will find that she will-become increasingly depressed on significant anniversary and holiday dates (i.e., mother's birthday, her own birthday, Thanksgiving, and Christmas). Her depression will cause her to seek out her father as well as the gravesite of her mother and brother. It should be noted here that in- formation received by the Behavioral Science unit is that the father had an alibi at the time of the homicides and therefore is not suspect. Tina Sharp may have already attempted to locate her mother's place of burial and may have visited the burial site.
This offender demonstrated control and confidence and therefore he is not a juvenile nor is he free of any prior police record. He is fixated on young females and has been involved with them in the past, be it for sex or for personal profit (i.e. child pornography).
Investigative Techniques Your investigation should direct itself in saturating Sacramento and the San Francisco areas with local media accounts of this crime in hopes that Tina Sharp, if still alive, will see one of these articles. The articles should reflect sorrow for the victims, par- ticularly Tina‘s mother, who was recently divorced and struggling to raise her children. .
These articles must be timely. They should appear at times (dates) which are significant. The articles should set forth data relative to the burial location of her mother and the exact location and address of her father. The victim will in all probability be drawn to the cemetery and/or attempt to get in contact with her father.
As stated earlier, Tina Sharp's age works to the advantage of the investigator if tactics are utilized (media) to remind her of this crime and her surviving family members. However, her age will also work against her if her abductor feels he no longer has control over her and feels that she may go on the run and go to authorities.
If you have any questions relative to this profile, suspects developed, and/or interrogation techniques that may be found to be effective, you may telephonically contact SA Douglas at the FBI Academy, telephone number (703) 640-6131, Ext. 2254.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 3:06:02 GMT -6
and unfortunately for Douglas' profile, it proved to be too accurate: it was later discovered that when Douglas wrote up this profile Tina was already dead.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 3:16:39 GMT -6
Maybe Tina really had a conflict with her mom..then something went wrong that night inside that cabin. But maybe, it can be, that they really planned to kill sue. I'm trying to study every angles of different stories. But we must really stick with those physical evidence they've kept. The truth will always be there.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 4:08:01 GMT -6
By the way I read on yt comments that someone named Toni Remer met Bo on more than one occassion and he didnt believe that Bo would harm a child even he suffered from PTSD.
Read the comments...
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Post by kmik on Apr 25, 2019 4:59:00 GMT -6
All we can go by are the bits and pieces of files Josh was allowed to see (or steal). On his old forum someone asked if he could, omit the names, but post the statements made by people at the bar and he said:
Common sense tells me he couldn't find any interviews for the people in the bar, and quite obviously anyone else, because the police never intended for him to have access to any interviews. The only two entire interviews that have ever been posted are Marty and Bo (so apparently the police allowed him to see those) . We have bits and pieces of statements from others but no complete interview.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 7:45:23 GMT -6
Ok.I hope we can communicate with those people inside the bar, but sad to say that others doesn't want to cooperate and we don't know where they are. But the investigators, for sure they know a lot of things but maybe they find it hard to confirm because those kids really did it. And that DNA of Justin, it's like why is it that they still didn't have a warrant of arrest? That DNA is already a big proof. I hope someone from those investigators will have that courage to speak out the truth. And even the other Sharp boys I think other one that time was 10 yrs old and the other one is 5.That 10 yrs for sure can still remember what happened that night its impossible not to wake up that night because some people from outside heard the muffled screams. And I've watched on youtube when Shiela and Greg visited their house before it was demolished, and the interviewer told them that Doug Thomas kept saying that Tina left willingly because she carried the box which was so attached to her. So that would mean that even Doug Thomas he's pointing out that Tina's really involved with the killing. But Shiela also said "it might be a box of knick knacks,I don't remember that part".
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Post by karis on Apr 25, 2019 18:40:49 GMT -6
Hello tinkryz5. The box was, according to the police report after Sheila's walkthrough, was the toolbox Johnny made in school. Like a lot of things in this case, rumor has become fact. According to what Sheila, herself, told the police the only "box" was the toolbox. There is a drawing the police did of the toolbox that was in the papers Josh had. I'm not sure if we have it on this site. I will check and if not try to post it. I think Doug Thomas referred to it as a "shoe box". I took shop in school in 1980. That box could have been used for tools but it was also used for storing shoe wax and shoe shine brushes men used when polishing their shoes.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 25, 2019 21:00:26 GMT -6
Ah ok.thanks for the info.
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Post by kmik on Apr 26, 2019 5:48:01 GMT -6
Yes all we can do is look at what we do know and we do know that in 1981 Sheila said the tool box was missing from the cabin so the tool box would more than likely be the missing box. As for DNA, Keddie28 is the only one who has told that Justin's DNA was on a piece of tape found near Sue's head- the police have never said that. It has floated around on the forum since 2014 that the police had DNA that matched a living suspect and the police did say in the 2018 Plumas news article that they had DNA that matched a living person of interest, but they have never said it was Justin. It would not be hard to believe it was Justin's because we all know that he claimed to have seen and heard too much while Ricky claimed to have seen and heard nothing at all.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 27, 2019 3:41:20 GMT -6
Yes, but why not reveal it yet? I mean the person that matched the DNA..was it 2016 when they started digging that DNA issue or only last yr? Why not release the results now? It's taking too long.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 27, 2019 3:46:54 GMT -6
By the way I read another article about the adoption of Shiela's baby. There was a question too regarding Sue's Christmas presents, are those expensive things?Or was she paid for the adoption of Shiela's baby?because with that issue Shiela can also be involved in the crime if ever she felt some remorse because her mom planned about the adoption of her baby.
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Post by kmik on Apr 27, 2019 7:37:31 GMT -6
The question is why would the police reveal who the DNA belonged to? I watched a cold case that was reinvestigated and their lead suspect turned out to be dead - so the police held a press conference and said if the man were still alive today that is who would be arrested - but he was not - so that is how they wrapped up their decades old case. What keeps the police from closing this 38 year old case if the two men they believe to be the killers are dead?? If the police close it out tomorrow there will still be two people who know if the police got it right or wrong and that's Ricky and Justin.
Greg Hagwood put Mike Gamberg on this case in 2013 after Josh did the second documentary. The DNA was talked about on the forum in 2014. In 2016 this case exploded publicly when People Magazine Investigates decided to do a show about the Keddie Murders and to publish the story in their magazine. People were finding hammers that had been buried for years, knives that had been thrown away, Mike Gamberg discovered cassette tapes he didn't even know existed even though he'd been on the case for 3 years and after all of that died down out came Dmac with all of this info from Mike G. that Justin's DNA was on a piece of tape near Sue's head, that Marty and Sue were seeing each other and that Kathy Beckly's friend took Johnny and Dana home. There is a pattern to all of this discovery.
I remember the old post about the presents Sue bought for the kids and I'm sure back then you could put things on layaway months in advance. I'm not sure how someone is paid in an adoption process but in December 1980 Sheila had not yet had the baby and surely nobody would have paid for a baby that had not yet been born.
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Post by tinkryz5 on Apr 27, 2019 12:30:36 GMT -6
Oh I see. So the baby of shiela that time wasn't born yet. Ok so regarding the Christmas presents well Sue is also working part time so she might have earned that money from her part time job or months before she already saved some money. With that, it also proves that maybe Sue really cares for her children. Maybe she decided about the adoption for the child's better future. So no issue with the presents. And that's why Justin and Rick should cooperate too, I'm pretty sure Justin remember that night. He's already 12 yrs old that time. Even me I can still remember some of my days when I was 12 yrs old especially if it is an important date. I even remember the time my father left my family when I was 11 yrs old. I also wonder why Justin really changed his story, but that would also mean like a cover up for something. When a person keep changing his story there will always be a lie hidden. I will resesech more.I'm trying to connect the other articles with the timeline. Because other stories doesn't really match with the timeline so it's quite confusing too, but some other details are also connected, I hope we can connect everything from the timeline and even Shiela should cooperate well with the police and even Justin and Rick/Greg too, including the Meeks family.
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