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Post by karis on Jun 25, 2018 8:03:00 GMT -6
According to popular theories, this is the evidence against Martin Smartt.
1. Justin- being in the house (to keep boys quiet) and allowed to live (along with Ricky and Greg)
That could have been a reason to let Justin live but it does not explain Ricky or Greg. If your confident that Ricky and Greg will keep quiet why not have that same confidence in Tina?
2. Being in the bar that night
So was Joel Lipsey. He was later accused of child molesting
3. Walking by the house that night
Jan Albin and her husband also walked by that night around 11:30
4. Having Bo at his residence (a mafia man)
BO had only been in Keddie 2-3 weeks. Marty might have been confident the boys would remain silent but why would Bo? He didn't know these kids. Why did he have sympathy on these three.
5. The love letter
Proves nothing.
6. The confession to therapist
He was not the only person to confess to these murders
7. Student at QHS name him
Who was behind the gossip at the high school
8. The statement: "he's quiet enough to where he could have noticed something without me detecting him"
Seems to me to have been taken out of context
9: The hammer (one found in pond recently) "my hammer is missing"
How could Marty be sure they would not check to pond for HIS hammer
10: NEW EVIDENCE: having affair with Sue
That "vetted" information comes from the person who refused to tell the police she gave them a ride home but told them Sue was having an affair with Smartt
11: Friendship with Doug Thomas
Once again, how could Marty have been sure that his "friendship" (in in fact they were friends) with Doug would assure him protection.
12: Statement that he resembled composite
He was not the only one that was turned in as looking like the composites
Am I missing anything?
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Post by poweranni on Jun 25, 2018 10:07:59 GMT -6
What motive would Marty Smart have?
To me that is the biggest question.
Post-traumatic stress disorder is neither a reason nor a motive.
If he was experiencing psychosis as part of his DX then ok, but again, something would have to trigger such a dramatic reaction, as to break into a home, and kill sleeping people using items like knives, ligatures and a hammer. I have a difficult time believing that he acted, "because it is so."
Another shabby accusation is that Bo also had PCSD, and helped Marty because it is so.
An extreme reaction, sure, if you push a traumatized person's buttons, that is why people need to tone it down when dealing with people with anxiety disorders, especially young men.
But returning hours later, to react?
No.
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Post by karis on Jun 25, 2018 19:22:39 GMT -6
What motive would Marty Smart have? To me that is the biggest question. Post-traumatic stress disorder is neither a reason nor a motive. Let's see if I can remember the reasons we've been given as motive. 1. Sue turned Bo down and it made Marty mad. ( Never was clear if that was going to the bar that night or turning him down for a date.) 2. Sue was interfering with Marty's marriage to Marilyn. 3. Marty was seeing Sue. 4. Marty hated Johnny. As far as the PTSD I don't think he was ever able to prove his claim to that. I may be wrong, if so, someone correct me.
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Post by poweranni on Jun 25, 2018 20:01:13 GMT -6
Yeah I am familiar with these motives, and I realize that I probably don't "get it" ... but as for possible motives to murder somebody? For me, they seem more like motives to run out of the house, slamming the door in frustration.
She can't be doing all those things at once really ... dating Bo dating Marty, meddling in Marty's marriage etc. I mean... it isn't impossible but generally these are mutually exclusive courses of action on her part.
All of this has been discussed, I am as perplexed as everybody else here.
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Post by kmik on Feb 10, 2019 19:44:09 GMT -6
April 12, 2019 will be 38 years since Sheila discovered the bodies of Sue, Johnny, and Dana. It would be great to read an article about the murder case and not the alleged suspects Marty and Bo. If the PCSO has enough evidence for Victoria Metcalf to write 3 articles on the murders, pointing the finger at Marty and Bo, then they should have enough evidence to close the case.
I'd like to review what we don't have as evidence against Marty:
1. Marty's DOJ interview statement that Justin could have detecting something without Marty noticing - that was in response to the question of if Marty thought it was possible that Justin, on the morning of the murders while around the Seabolt house, could have seen inside the front door of 28.
2. The love letter/murder confession letter to Marilyn - the love letter was no doubt about the kids (his "flesh and blood") he had abandoned to be with Marilyn.
3. The counselor and the confession - Josh Sebold said in his 2011 article that he was allowed by the PCSO (Hagwood was Sheriff) to view a follow up report to the original report which contradicted what the counselor said on the documentary.
4. Aerial photos of Dee, Marty, and Bo sneaking out of Keddie on Sunday - the date the photos were taken has never been confirmed and the place was not swarming with police like Mrs. Seabolt, Blaine Grubert, JK, and common sense says it would have been.
5. Marty snuck out of Keddie on Sunday on that "Reno" trip to hide Tina's body - Marty told in his Tuesday DOJ interview that he was in Reno the day before (Monday NOT Sunday) and it's very possible that he was in Reno attending his weekly counseling session.
6. Marty was shagging Sue - according to a bartender in 1981 - but this same bartender is the one who gave the boys a ride to Cabin 28. THIS INFO WAS ONLY REVEALED IN 2017 by the bartender or a family member of the bartender (still not clear on that)
7. Marty's DOJ interview revealed his knowledge of a wooden hammer being used and the victims being bound so that proves he was in the cabin committing the murders - Justin WAS in Cabin 28 during the murders and no doubt told Marty and Marilyn many many things he never told the police.
8. Marty and Bo resemble the composite sketches - both of the drawings look exactly alike other than one has longer hair than the other and in no way resemble Marty or Bo.
9. Bo was in the mafia and being covered for by the DOJ - Marty and Bo were pulling scams and the FRB had just warned people of these scams the week of the murders.
10. There was a glass/ashtray with Marty's bloody fingerprint on it - no just a dusty ashtray taken into evidence from Cabin28.
Yes it's just the same things over and over. It would be nice to read an article about something we don't know - after all this is a now 38 year old murder case.
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 15, 2019 6:24:04 GMT -6
I'd like to add a couple of other things:
1.The hammer used on Johnny and Dana (AFTER they were dead) was found IN CABIN 28. Eeeeeeeeven if the hammer found in the pond is Marty's it doesn't matter, because it was NOT one of the murder weapons.
2. [Severin] John Boubede was NOT a "mafia hit man." He was nobody. Just a petty grifter and goldbricker.
3. According to the autopsy reports and Stoy's notes, Dana had been dead a couple of hours BEFORE he ended up on the floor of Cabin 28. To fit that into the "Marty and Bo did it" theory, That would REQUIRE Marty and Bo to be in Cabin 28 at about 10:00pm choking Dana to death and leaving him sitting in that weird little telephone seat, THEN changing clothes and going to the bar, then going BACK to Cabin 28 AFTER 12:00--without Johnny, Sue, or any of the kids leaving the Cabin or calling for help. The telephone cord had NOT been cut--you can PLAINLY see it in the crime scene photos, running from the wall to the phone. According to the autopsy reports and photos, Sue MUST have walked through a puddle of JOHNNY'S blood (she could NOT have walked through a puddle of her own blood, ESPECIALLY the way she was tied up) so we KNOW she was at liberty for two hours or more while Marty and Bo were NOT there. There is just no explanation for this. Except one--Dana was killed SOMEWHERE ELSE and BROUGHT to Cabin 28.
4. WHERE is Dana's diabetic kit? He didn't leave it at what's-her-name's house, and it wasn't in Cabin 28. So, where WAS it? Someplace else. Probably the place where he was killed. And NONE of that is in Marty's "confession."
5. One fact we know for sure from Tina's remains is, she was NEVER hit on the head, with a hammer, or anything else.
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Post by somebodyiused2know on Sept 4, 2019 21:59:01 GMT -6
Where is it stated that Joel Lipsey was in the bar that night? If he was, who was he with? He had made a statement about being out with his girlfriend that night, but she was never questioned about that and swears she wasn’t with him. It blows my mind that no one is looking into him further even though he had more motive than anyone to take Tina (which I believe this case is all about.) He and his brother look exactly like the suspect photo, he was charged with child molestation in the 90’s. I don’t remember the exact year, but I remember it all unfolding.
Question: Was the letter that Martin Smartt allegedly sent to his wife ever compared to any other writing samples? Was he an intelligent man? Although the penmanship and capitalization is questionable, the sentence structure and proper use of commas suggests that it was sent by someone with more education. It also appears to me that whoever wrote it was trying to disguise their handwriting. The writer is not at all consistent with their letters. Some letters are randomly capitalized where others are not. The letter “e” is different in a number of their words. Also, why doesn’t Marilyn remember ever receiving this letter? Maybe it’s because she never did.
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Post by kmik on Sept 5, 2019 6:04:15 GMT -6
Hello Somebody, glad to have you here. We know we don't have all of the case files and we don't have any info saying Joel Lipsey was at the bar that night but Greg Hagwood said, on "People Magazine Investigates" in 2017, that several witnesses said he was . I'll find that and print exactly what Greg and Mike said about Joel L.
I fully believe Marty wrote the letter to Marilyn but it is clearly a love letter. Sue, Johnny, Dana, and Tina were not “4” of the most precious things in his life” and certainly were not “his flesh and blood”. If Marty Smartt had just murdered 4 people this letter definitely isn’t proof of anything but his love for Marilyn and his children which he had given up to be with her. Regardless of how many children he had at the time he had already referred to his four children at the beginning of the letter. The letter was sent to Keddie and Marilyn had already moved from there so she may or may not have received the letter.
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Post by karis on Sept 10, 2019 19:49:28 GMT -6
Here are a couple of photos of Joel Lipsey. These photos come the the Feather River Bulletin. The one on the left is 1978 and the one on the right is 1983.
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Post by getem on Oct 10, 2020 19:10:09 GMT -6
I have a question about the "He's quiet enough to detect something without me noticing him" statement. I swear I read somewhere, but can't find it, that he was talking about Justin being quiet in general. Like at their home. All I see all over the internet is this used as the GOTCHA! moment. Even above Karis says it seems to be taken out of context but I would like to know where that statement came from. Thanks!
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Post by hope on Oct 10, 2020 21:09:06 GMT -6
I remember when I first heard/read that interview, it did not sound as damning to me as it's been made out to be. When it came to that "quiet enough" statement, I remember thinking it sounded like he jumbled up that sentence, mixed up past & present tense, because of the previous questions he had answered. Basically, I know what you are talking about. Lol. I will take a look too & see if I can find it. Although I'm sure kmik or karis have that interview handy and will get back to you first
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Post by kmik on Oct 10, 2020 21:22:47 GMT -6
Getem it's from the interview with Crim and Bradley and I'm gonna post what was leading up to this question: (I've put some things in bold print)
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Eveyone has to read and interpret for themselves but it's clear to me that Crim is wondering how Justin (who has already talked to Doug) seems to have knowledge of the crime and Crim asks Marty if it's possible that, ON THE MORNING OF THE MURDERS WHEN JUSTIN WAS AROUND THE SEABOLTS, he might have glimpsed in the front door when the police were going in and out. Marty says no the security was too tight but then says he also wonders if Justin saw anything that night because often when Marty would get up at night Justin would wake up so it's possible that Justin did see in the front door, Sunday Morning when the police were going in and out, with out him (Marty) detecting him doing so.
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Post by getem on Oct 11, 2020 6:29:22 GMT -6
Thank you. There are definatly different ways to take that statement.
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Post by kmik on Feb 19, 2021 19:16:35 GMT -6
These posts are about the "jailhouse exchange".
Keddie FB:
Why can't we see the report?? I don't know about yall but I kinda like to read things myself. Maybe the "omission" was by Wade.
Feb 2007 post by Glenna Meeks:
I think that sums it up - Marty knew Wade was shacking up with Marilyn and I bet Wade DIDN"T mention these "threats" to the police. If he was smart he didn't want the police to know that 6 days after the murders Marty's wife/accuser was already in the arms of another which might have caused LE to question her motives (which they obviously did anyway)
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Post by kmik on Feb 25, 2021 22:51:08 GMT -6
And if the police didn't consider the source of the Marty rumors a week after the murders then they certainly considered several of the sources by the time Sheila (a friend of the Meeks) sent them the "friend list".
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