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Post by jmo on May 9, 2018 12:24:05 GMT -6
Marty's and Bo's suits interest me. I'm going to do this off the top of my head so feel free to correct any mistakes! :-)
There's been a lot of exaggeration as far as these suits go. I feel (from Marilyn's initial statements) that they were leisure suits and they wore them to the bar because there were parties going on and they wanted to "fit in". Marty and Bo didn't have a whole lot of choices as far as "nice clothing" goes, so they wore what they wore--their Sunday Best.
Does anyone remember the color of Marty's suit? I know they said they walked to the bar (MMB), walked back home (where Marilyn stayed and went to bed), and then walked to the bar and home again. That's two trips. I think they took off the vests or something? (This would be the "change of clothes" if I recall.)
I don't think it would be possible to do these murders and not get blood on your clothing. I saw a guy get punched in the nose once and it was like his face exploded. Yikes! So, here's my question: If Marty and Bo did these murders in their suits....ooops. I have to back up a little.
Marilyn stated she didn't see the suits after the murders, but then again, she left and never went back, so why would she? Marilyn must have been either A. Freaking out, B. Embellishing her stories to friends and family as the days passed or C. Trying to cover for Justin. Either way, the story about the burning clothes/shoes/whathaveyou, must have initially come from her? She doesn't remember saying that, but who knows....
Okay...so if Marty and Bo did these murders in their suits, wasn't there a picture of Marty in THAT particular suit as the Town Cryer quite a time after April 11, 1981?
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Post by Admin Horan on May 9, 2018 13:37:00 GMT -6
Well, no, theres' no reason to think the person who finished off Johnny got much of any blood on them. Contrary to the hype, there was very little blood on the walls. Someone was smart enough to lay the boys face down, with their heads propped on the couch cushion, (they were interrupted before they could stab Dana's carotid) and then pierce the carotid artery with a narrow blade. Which, by the way, is exactly how you kill a hog, if you do it yourself. So long as you pull the blade out quick, you may not even get any blood on your hand.
Now, the person who stabbed Sue in the chest probably ended up with bloody hands. The funny thing is, someone with bloody hands opened the boys bedroom door and fumbled around for the light switch, then went into the girls bedroom and got the blankets to cover Sue.
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Post by kmik on May 9, 2018 16:40:29 GMT -6
I'd like to think if someone smeared blood on door knobs and bed sheets they'd have gotten a little on themselves.
JMO, I have to agree with you (though we may be way off). Marty nor Bo had a lot of money so they were wearing their best to the bar (by the way I think Marty's suit was supposedly green) and possibly wearing these suits to those scamming appointments (didn't they say in their interviews they were supposed to be meeting with the Chamber of Commerce that week?) As you pointed out Marilyn said they were burning something in the wood stove only to change the story to say they were still wearing the suits when they were messing with the stove (meaning they couldn't have burned the suits if they were wearing them).
To much hearsay that wasn't reported to LE. So years later when she and Glenna had recollections - Glenna's being second hand from the mysterious Jim the ex - who in the world knows what the truth was if there was any truth at all to ANYTHING being burned in the stove or in the yard? The wood stove burning supposedly happened around 2:00am Sunday and the shoe burning on Sunday around 8:00am.
The suits were probably nothing special or eye catching (no neon colored disco suits). I'm beginning to see a lot of what Marilyn told to the Meeks, Joel Lipsy, and the police was nothing more than to throw suspicion off of Justin.
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Post by jmo on May 10, 2018 16:14:32 GMT -6
Especially if Phil was involved.
Does it bother anyone else that Marilyn "can't remember" what she wore that night? When was the FIRST time she was asked?
I, in no way shape or form, believe Marilyn was involved in this. But, it still annoys me. I think she told the truth right from the get go.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
But, somebody sure sh*t does.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 11, 2018 7:46:29 GMT -6
Keep in mind, the reason police questioned Marty and Bo in the first place was because MARTY went out of his way to tell Doug Thomas Sunday morning/early afternoon "Hey, my new friend and I walked past that cabin several times that night. We'd be glad to tell you what we saw and heard." Then, they both told Thomas that they had spent most of three hours in the bar. I mean, if they were lying, they'd KNOW that the bartender on duty that night would eventually bust them out. And the degree of rigor mortis, etc shows plainly that there's no way the murders happened AFTER 2:00 am.
Sooooooooooo, there was no reason for Bo and Marty to burn their "suits." If Marty even owned one. He probably borrowed one of Bo's, and Bo obviously took his clothes with him when he left town.
Now, so far as Glenna Meeks's stories, in one version, it was "pouring down rain" Sunday morning (it wasn't, but that's her story) and in the other one, "Jim the Ex" was burning leaves. And shoes. In the pouring down rain.
Ever try to burn a pair of men's shoes? They're not made of paper. It takes a long time, and a very hot fire. Go ahead. Go outside, pile up some leaves (as high as you want) and set them on fire and toss a pair of men's size shoes into the fire. Five minutes later, you'll have a pile of ashes and an intact pair of scorched men's shoes.
Isn't this whole thing supposed to have been "premeditated" by an experienced "mob hitman?" So, his "expert" PLAN was to ruin two publicly flouted suits, and then conspicuously burn them in front of MULTIPLE witnesses at MULTIPLE locations? No, wait, I forgot. They didn't really go to the bar. They made that up. So, they put on their suits for no reason, wore these suits to a slaughterhouse style murder, THEN conspicuously burned them in front of multiple witnesses at multiple locations. Got it.
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Post by jmo on May 24, 2018 17:41:34 GMT -6
"Ever try to burn a pair of men's shoes?"
Nope. But, we threw a pair of womans' (leather and rubber) in our fire pit last night. FWIW Here are our conclusions.
We had three logs in there. Not that hot. I put one on the side and set one right on top. The one on the side smoldered a bit before it caught fire. I only got one wiff of it when the wind changed. lol Not too bad on the black smoke either. (I was surprised as the sole was a pretty heavy rubber one.) The one on top caught fire right away and after 5 minutes, we couldn't even tell it was a shoe. It just looked like a piece of (idk?) a log or something. Even after the one on top folded over and the sole started to smolder it took under 10 minutes to totally disintegrate. Not the black smoke, something stinks, oh my god it's (recognizable) shoes sort of thing we were expecting.
In our estimation, it took from 7:25 until 7:30 to recognize them as shoes and from 7:30 to 7:45 to have them burn into practically nothing. Little bitta junk left, totally not recognizable as shoes.
We had a "WOW!" moment. So, even though these were womans size 7 as opposed to a mans' size ?, whoever said they saw shoes burning in an outdoor fire is definately full of Sh*t.
Like I said: FWIW :-) JMO
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Post by Michele on Jun 1, 2018 21:57:54 GMT -6
Interesting that when you look at the composite drawings it looks like BOTH men are wearing suits.
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Post by jmo on Apr 1, 2019 21:22:04 GMT -6
Where is this cowboy hat? The one they listed as "Dana's". The band from the cowboy hat was tied around Sue, but I am not seeing the hat taken in as evidence. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Maybe if we found out who that hat belonged to, it could tell us a lot. (There was one person that claimed to have seen Dana coming from FRC wearing this hat. Could she have been mistaken or lying?)
Where is that hat and who did it belong to? I can't see someone wearing a cowboy hat and tennis shoes or even work boots. It belonged to somebody...Cowboy hats and cowboy boots go together like bread and butter. JMO
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Post by kmik on Sept 6, 2020 19:48:49 GMT -6
This goes along with the last post that Karis posted. The FBI report just days after the murders listed the band from Dana's cowboy hat as being part of Sue's gag. How did they come to that conclusion just days after the murders? Well first when we put everything into perspective we can better understand all of this "misinformation" was not part of a conspiracy but in fact was just the early stages of an investigation when the police had no idea what the kids had been wearing that night or what was actually used for the gag on Sue. We're all looking at this decades AFTER the police did all the investigating so we think it all fell into place with people coming forward and people being immediately questioned but that's tv not real life.
I'm pretty sure people were not immediately coming out in droves to tell of their sighting of Johnny and Dana but they obviously had heard from Lucia Shumway (maybe because she had been his counselor at some point) who told of seeing Dana with a hat (was she confused on her days?). So it's possible they thought the bandana in Sue's mouth was from Dana's hat until kids began to come forward saying Johnny had on a red headband - so now they had Johnny being seen with a headband which was missing from his head when he was found, but a bandana being found in Sue's gag (and as Karis said it was covered in dried blood so who would know what color it really was without washing away the blood to find out?
This is all really interesting to me since I was quite confused for a while because the ME said it had the "appearance" of a blue bandana, then the FBI report said it was Dana's hatband, but then the police were questioning Sheila, in June(?) about bandana's. I now think that was possible to confirm they owned headbands and that the gag in Sue's mouth was from their house (and more than likely taken from Johnny's head).
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