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Post by snoho17 on Jul 7, 2018 22:31:30 GMT -6
Reading through some old ass comments, I came across a guy who thought it would be weird for Tina to have been dumped at the " camp" as the road was usually still closed in early april, any truth to that?
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Post by kmik on Jul 8, 2018 5:54:53 GMT -6
I'm not from the area and have never been so I can only go by what others familiar with the area have said. I don't think I have ever read one comment, by people familiar with the area, on how easy it was to get to Camp 18. Was the road closed? I don't know but if it takes 2 hours to travel 60 miles that tells me its not an easy drive - and I think a lot of the road was dirt. And even when you get to Feather Falls you still have to go to camp 18. I think that's why many feel the killer had to be familiar with the area.
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Tina
Jul 22, 2018 20:53:15 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Jul 22, 2018 20:53:15 GMT -6
Based on things said on the documentary a lot of us have wondered if Tina took a "box" that was special to her when she left or was taken from 28.
Doug Thomas on the documentary:
Sheila and Ricky on the Cabin 28 walk through:
The only box missing from 28, that we are aware of, was the toolbox. There used to be a drawing of it on one of the forums. So was Tina attached to this toolbox? Rick seemed to remember her carrying around a pencil box, but Sheila is the one who did the walk through in '81 so she was the one responsible for saying what was missing (no mention of a pencil box). Doug Thomas said the box was wooden (a pencil box is not) and was made as a school project (a pencil box would not be) and was missing from the kitchen - so that would be the toolbox. He referred to it as a "shoebox" but at one point almost said toolbox. I remember years ago my brother made a box in wood class that we referred to as the "shoe shine box" because that's where all my Dad's shoe wax and brushes were kept. So did Sheila tell the police in '81 that Tina was attached to this box (she neither confirms or denies this on the walk through) or was Doug Thomas just confused after all of these years? The toolbox is obviously mentioned on the full timeline because Ricky and Sheila both kept referring to what the timeline said.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 26, 2018 2:13:01 GMT -6
I originally thought it had to be a shoebox diarama. I did have wooden pencil boxes in elementary school. I also thought if drugs were involved toolboxes have always been used as stash spots. The reason for the box to be missing changes with the type of box,so this is pretty frustrating not knowing
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Tina
Jul 26, 2018 10:36:21 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Jul 26, 2018 10:36:21 GMT -6
I agree the type of box changes the reason for it to be missing. With that being said the only box Sheila said was missing on the walkthrough in April 1981 was the toolbox (in the documentary walkthrough she has no recollection of a pencil box at all). Doug Thomas was only there for 3 months after the murders so his recollection would be of the items said to be missing from 28 during the original investigation. Maybe he was confused about her being fond of the "box"?
As for the diorama box, that only came up in Marilyn's old post when she said Tina had brought one to her house because she had been working on it. If I'm not mistaken Justin and Tina were in the same grade at school and it's possible she took it over there to show Marilyn. I'd have to say the toolbox is the only missing box from 28. Whether or not Tina was fond of the toolbox would be the question. If she was allowed to leave 28 with anything she was fond of (the hamster, the toolbox, the diorama, or a pencil box) it would strengthen my belief that she left voluntarily with someone she knew.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 26, 2018 14:39:02 GMT -6
I'm in 100% agreement. I'm going to assume tina had some box at one point and it's irrelevant if the toolbox went missing that night. In still leaning towards it being a place to stash drugs
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Tina
Jul 26, 2018 19:06:23 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Jul 26, 2018 19:06:23 GMT -6
In my above post I said, "strengthen my belief that Tina left voluntarily" but maybe I should have said, "strengthen the possibility" because I have no idea if she left on her own or was taken. I really lean towards a fight starting within the people already in 28 for whatever reason and her leaving with someone she knew and the boys knowing she left with someone she knew but covering for her with the hope that she would return and explain everything. Many assume Marty's statements in the interview of the wooden hammer, the bindings, and how they were killed is proof that he was the killer because he had this information but the truth is Justin was there and he told these things in his hypnosis sessions so he had to have told Marty and Marilyn these same things. If we are still discussing this case 37 years later and we didn't even know these people, common sense tells me that Marty and Marilyn questioned Justin. Who in the world wouldn't?
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Tina
Jul 27, 2018 20:26:10 GMT -6
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Post by raemen2 on Jul 27, 2018 20:26:10 GMT -6
Although I believe that Marty, Marty/Bo did not commit these murders I've always had the nagging feeling that they heard/saw something that night that drew them to the crime scene. Perhaps even curious enough to peer inside 28 and witnesses the aftermath. They both strike me as the kind of men who would say let's get the bleep out of here and keep our mouths shut, it is what it is, can't do anything about it now. Any way I try to cut it, it is most curious that Marty would state (paraphrasing) perhaps he saw me without me detecting him. As far fetched as the above might be it's the only way that statement makes sense to me.
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Tina
Jul 27, 2018 22:31:33 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Jul 27, 2018 22:31:33 GMT -6
That may be exactly what happened. But I think some of us now read Marty's interview with this in mind: Here was a man with problems at home, no job and bills to pay, with a broken down vehicle he hadn't made a payment on in months, who had plans the very week of these murders to be in Klamath Falls scamming and making money but instead had just had his stepson come home from a sleepover at a neighbors where 3 people had been murdered, one was missing, and 3 had survived this horror untouched and his stepson was telling them things that made them wonder how on earth he could know these details. If Marilyn went to the doctor a day or two after the murders, to get a shot for her nerves, then she was an emotional wreck. Marty had to have been nervous during this interview - who wouldn't be? We have no idea what all Marty knew or suspected about Justin when he went into this interview with Crim and Bradley. This interview was done a day after Doug Thomas had talked to Justin, so Crim and Bradley knew what Justin had told Doug. .
From Marty's Interview:
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Tina
Jul 30, 2018 13:13:25 GMT -6
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Post by kateabt on Jul 30, 2018 13:13:25 GMT -6
Please forgive ignorance on behalf on a green member! Several thoughts occurred to me that I failed to locate in the various threads. The abduction/disappearance of Tina would prevent a timely examination of her body, alive or dead, and prevent any soft tissue evidence tying a perp to the crime. I cringe at the molestation of a child but there it is. Also, a vicious triple homicide to as a part of said abduction underscores the serious nature of whatever evidence her disappearance was intended to bury. It seems that the intention could have been to get rid of Tina and whatever potential problem she represented to someone.
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Tina
Jul 30, 2018 15:02:18 GMT -6
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Post by raemen2 on Jul 30, 2018 15:02:18 GMT -6
Part of the problem is that there is no real compelling evidence that Tina was abducted or that Tina was the main target that evening. Why murder three people, with the chance of leaving physical evidence behind, being seen, why leave three witness alive? Tina could have easily been taken or lured away when she was outside alone if someone wanted to be rid of her.
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Tina
Jul 30, 2018 15:14:59 GMT -6
Post by karis on Jul 30, 2018 15:14:59 GMT -6
Hello Kateabt. There is really so little information about Tina that it really appears her importance in the murders has been overlooked. If you take the timeline she is mentioned only a few times. Her mention on the timeline is sketchy to me. There is the molestation report. There is also a few statements concerning her was 1)she was a fast little girl. 2) she hated her mother 3) she was pregnant by Marty S. 4) she was street smart. I don't know it any of that was ever determined to be true. We also do not know when or how she died. And without someone coming forward and confessing to killing her how could it ever be proved she was killed when the other three were. It is assumed she was allowed to dress or was dress when she left (or taken) from the house. Again, I don't think any really knows if that is true or not.
It seems that the intention could have been to get rid of Tina and whatever potential problem she represented to someone.
The only evidence of any trouble with anyone would have been the molestation case with Daniel F. That was ongoing as of January 1981.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 31, 2018 20:20:09 GMT -6
Please forgive ignorance on behalf on a green member! Several thoughts occurred to me that I failed to locate in the various threads. The abduction/disappearance of Tina would prevent a timely examination of her body, alive or dead, and prevent any soft tissue evidence tying a perp to the crime. I cringe at the molestation of a child but there it is. Also, a vicious triple homicide to as a part of said abduction underscores the serious nature of whatever evidence her disappearance was intended to bury. It seems that the intention could have been to get rid of Tina and whatever potential problem she represented to someone. Lol, I do that all the time, or I'll have some brilliant revelation only to find days later that my revelation wasnt so original as I look through older threads
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Post by snoho17 on Aug 1, 2018 19:34:45 GMT -6
I'm not from the area and have never been so I can only go by what others familiar with the area have said. I don't think I have ever read one comment, by people familiar with the area, on how easy it was to get to Camp 18. Was the road closed? I don't know but if it takes 2 hours to travel 60 miles that tells me its not an easy drive - and I think a lot of the road was dirt. And even when you get to Feather Falls you still have to go to camp 18. I think that's why many feel the killer had to be familiar with the area.
But does that mean Tina (alive or dead) was kept somewhere else before the snow melted/road became drivable? The doctor said it looked like she'd been there for several months not years.
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Tina
Aug 28, 2018 19:21:44 GMT -6
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Post by curio on Aug 28, 2018 19:21:44 GMT -6
First post, just joined so I apologize if I am posting incorrectly. Recently started to read about the Keddie cabin murders and I have a few questions that I haven’t really found answers to, mostly revolving around Tina, and maybe someone could enlighten me. My main question centers around this: it seems to me that someone definitely wanted to take Tina, rather she was willing or not. Outside of the conjecture that she was pregnant and someone didn’t want that getting out, was there anyone close to her “loved her like a father” that might want to rescue her so much that they would commit murder?
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