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Post by kay on Dec 18, 2019 6:08:49 GMT -6
I agree 100% and also have to add how ridiculous it is that people think Tina was pregnant by Marty. There’s just no evidence. I was reading old forum posts from Marty’s brother Spencer (I think that’s his name) and he said it was KNOWn that Wade Meeks (19 at the time) got Tina pregnant. Obviously that’s just a rumor and I’m not even sure I believe it. But if you read his old posts, he is extremely distraught over his brother being accused of these murders and claims his innocence. It’s a little heart breaking to read no matter where you stand on Marty
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Post by kay on Dec 18, 2019 6:08:50 GMT -6
I agree 100% and also have to add how ridiculous it is that people think Tina was pregnant by Marty. There’s just no evidence. I was reading old forum posts from Marty’s brother Spencer (I think that’s his name) and he said it was KNOWn that Wade Meeks (19 at the time) got Tina pregnant. Obviously that’s just a rumor and I’m not even sure I believe it. But if you read his old posts, he is extremely distraught over his brother being accused of these murders and claims his innocence. It’s a little heart breaking to read no matter where you stand on Marty
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Post by kmik on Dec 18, 2019 7:22:53 GMT -6
I think Spencer had Tina and Wade confused with Sheila getting pregnant by Richard - just my opinion.
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Post by kay on Dec 18, 2019 14:58:38 GMT -6
I think Spencer had Tina and Wade confused with Sheila getting pregnant by Richard - just my opinion. I thought so too but in the post he bring up both Richard & Sheila and Wade & Tina. I think he was saying his theory was that the Meeks did it because Sue made Sheila give up their baby, then after Wade got Tina pregnant and Sue was threatening rape charges on wade because he was 19. I’m not quite sure how much I believe that but Marty’s brother sure did
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Post by jdub on Dec 18, 2019 15:15:05 GMT -6
That sure would make the **** hit the fan!!!!
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Post by kmik on Dec 18, 2019 15:41:16 GMT -6
I think all of that stems from the report of Kathy Beckley spreading the gossip that Ken Shanks had said that Tina was pregnant and Marty was the father. Problem is that was being spread around and nobody wanted to own the rumor. Maybe because it was just a "theory" after Marilyn started pointing the finger at Marty and Tina was still missing.
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Post by jmo on Dec 18, 2019 16:52:53 GMT -6
Zonita Seabolt told Josh's producer she heard sex noises coming from #28 Saturday afternoon. Producer (with Josh) spread rumors of Marty and Sue affair. He said he heard it from Zonita Seabolt. I don't think this rumor came up until Josh/Josh's producer were in the Keddie room with Gamberg. Gamberg spread that to Dmac and from there to Dmac's forum where it became truth.
This is not the way police work is done.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 18, 2019 21:21:39 GMT -6
I think she was suggesting that it was TINA having sex Saturday MORNING, while Sue and the others were in town. Because only Sheila claimed that Justin went to town with them. But I could be wrong.
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Post by jdub on Dec 18, 2019 21:56:48 GMT -6
I don't believe that Martin Smartt got Tina pregnant. Jmo. Does not fit. Jmo. That, on top of Sheila, 13/14 yo, getting pregnant by one Meeks, and IF, then, Tina turns up missing her period/pregnant, and possibly, at the time, obvious substantial circumstantial evidence, to those in the circle, by Another Meeks, would cause a mother to raise further hell. (Sue moved away from the trailer park after Shielas prenancy and I am not Convinced that Sues visit with Glenna Meeks the day before her murder was at all friendly) add to that Sue possibly getting Gamberg fired and all that. Chokehold/accidental strangulation on Dana by xxxxxxx? Seems pertinant also, as Dana was probably an informant, based on Admin Horan's thoughts. seems lIke a perfect storm and drugs were involved also. Just my opinion, again.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 19, 2019 6:13:28 GMT -6
"...I am not Convinced that Sues visit with Glenna Meeks the day before her murder was at all friendly..."
That's a good point. And if Sue's relationship with Glenna Meeks at that time was all that friendly, why not let them help take care of Sheila and her baby? And, wasn't Richard charged with statutory rape? Since 13 was under the age of consent? Isn't that on his record now? That can't be a friendly situation. "Either Sheila gives birth out of state and gives the baby up for adoption, ooooorrrrrr, we press charges."
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Post by goblin on Dec 19, 2019 14:30:04 GMT -6
Hi, Kay! Detailed victim profiles are indeed important. Here are a few things we *think* we've dug up concerning what the Sharps and Dana may have been up to: 1. Sue was NOT "on the run" from her husband, Jim. Jim had (once again) KICKED her and the kids out. For what? We don't know. But her sister Jackie was sick of taking them in, so they ended up in Quincy at her brother Don Davis's trailer. Even after Sue's death, Jim REFUSED to take the surviving kids back, so they ended up in foster care--EXCEPT Sheila, who went back to her aunt Jackie's house. Which happened to be near where Sheila's baby was growing up. That's important, because Sheila had a MOTIVE for getting rid of Sue. Which she and her uncle lied to police about. 2. It turns out that Don Davis's daughter Tammy (Sheila's cousin of the same age) is the one who got Josh to make the documentary in the first place. Why wasn't Tammy invited to the "older girls sleepover" at the Seabolts? Don and his wife drove out to Keddie that night to have dinner at the Keddie restaurant. Where Bo and Marty were celebrating. Why didn't they drive Tammy out with them? Why didn't they stop in and see Sue for a minute? Or call first to see if maybe Sue needed anything from town? 3. Dana, on probation, was veeeeeeeerrrryyyyyy likely acting as an informant as a condition of his probation. He had just recently made a big effort to make friends with Johnny, who was getting quite a reputation around town as a little thug and petty drug dealer. Was he "working" on Johnny as a condition of his parole? The autopsy report noted that Dana's pants were undone, and the ME checked specifically for tape residue. As though the ME thought he might have been wearing a "wire." Which looks exactly like what his assailants suspected, as well. Gamberg, whose job with PCSO at the time was juvenile offenders like Dana, has claimed for years that he knew Dana (Gamberg's own boys were Johnny and Dana's age) and that Dana was at Gamberg's house the night before (Friday night, that is) the murders. Even if Dana wasn't a "narc," anyone with a brain would have ASSUMED he probably was. 4. Again, Johnny was getting deeper and deeper into "trouble." He "disappeared" the exact same week Marty was in Reno supposedly "in the VA hospital." Which was right before Johnny supposedly started selling "black beauties" around school, and when Marty supposedly threatened to "break Johnny's hands." Etc. 5. Were Justin and Tina fooling around? Sheila seems to have fudged her story (we don't know for sure without complete transcripts) a little bit about what happened Saturday. She claims Justin went to town with them to sign up for little league baseball, but Justin's statements indicate he stayed in Keddie that morning--while Tina was home "alone." Justin also had detailed--and accurate--knowledge about which girl/Sue slept in which bed in the girls bedroom. Etc. For starters. My first post here, so hopefully I'm doing this right. On the "other forum," Marilyn once referred to the relationship between Justin and Tina as (paraphrased) "like a little boyfriend and girlfriend." It kind of raised the tiniest of red flags to me when I read it, so I remember it. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some sexual shenanigans between Tina and Justin.
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Post by karis on Dec 19, 2019 15:28:54 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some sexual shenanigans between Tina and Justin.
I agree with you goblin. According to Marilyn they were in the same class, and they were about the same age. I'm sure the police talked to her friends but once again we don't have access to very much regarding Tina. The police have kept that to themselves.
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Post by goblin on Dec 19, 2019 15:55:08 GMT -6
I agree 100% and also have to add how ridiculous it is that people think Tina was pregnant by Marty. There’s just no evidence. I was reading old forum posts from Marty’s brother Spencer (I think that’s his name) and he said it was KNOWn that Wade Meeks (19 at the time) got Tina pregnant. Obviously that’s just a rumor and I’m not even sure I believe it. But if you read his old posts, he is extremely distraught over his brother being accused of these murders and claims his innocence. It’s a little heart breaking to read no matter where you stand on Marty I agree in that I don't believe Marty impregnated Tina, either. IF Tina were pregnant (and that's a big IF that we'll never know with certainty), I'd be more inclined to go with it was by a Meeks or even perhaps Justin. I'm also pretty skeptical about the "revelation" by the bartender of her reason for giving a ride to Johnny and Dana back to Keddie that night. If I'm interpreting what's presented on the "other forum" correctly, her reason for not coming forward was to cover for KB (who apparently had offered a ride but then didn't have the gas and asked the bartender to take them instead) so she wouldn't be outed for having a sexual relationship with Dana. Hmm. No matter how I try to wrap my brain around that reason, it just doesn't compute. KB had apparently freely given a statement that both boys had spent the better part of the afternoon with her, even down to the detail that Dana had given himself an insulin injection whilst he was there. LE knew Dana and Johnny had been at her home that day, so I'm not understanding how adding to her statement, "I was going to take them back to Keddie but didn't have the gas, so I called my friend XYZ, the bartender at ZYX, and she drove them home." I can't comprehend how would that (vital) bit of information would have implicated KB was in a sexual relationship with Dana or why it was necessary to hide the simple answer to the white hot burning question all of these years. If her statement is actually the truth after all of these years, I almost wish LE would find something to charge her and KB with (obstruction of justice maybe?) for not revealing this information sooner. All of those wasted resources chasing "leads" with everyone and their brother claiming to have given them a ride that night or seen them here, there, and everywhere. It would have been so much more simplistic to narrow everything down had LE only know from the outset who took them home, at what time they dropped them off, and if anywhere seemed amiss at that time. Ugh. I suspect there remains a great deal of hidden information and skeletons in the closet of the people involved in this case. I think the key players in these murders (and the very reason for the murders themselves), are still known to multiple individuals in the Keddie/Quincy area...which always brings me back around to the nagging suspicion, as you have, that in the end the murders were drug related. I often wonder if someone was waiting for Johnny and Dana when they got home that night, strong armed their way in to get either drugs or money from them, the ensuing chaos woke up Sue who walked into her son and Dana being brutalized (or at least Johnny already dead), and Sue was not the target, but simply walked in at the wrong time. That would explain how Sue managed to walk barefoot into Johnny's blood as well. Who knows...maybe the killers had just left, Sue walked out, screamed when she saw the boys, and the killers immediately went back in to deal with her so they wouldn't be caught close to the scene. Maybe Tina didn't wake up until Sue screamed, and grabbing her and taking off with her was quicker than binding her and killing her in the moment, so they strangled her in the van and tossed her body en route to wherever they were headed. Or maybe I just spend too much time wondering about this case and need another cup of coffee to clear the brain fog
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Post by goblin on Dec 19, 2019 16:02:45 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some sexual shenanigans between Tina and Justin.
I agree with you goblin. According to Marilyn they were in the same class, and they were about the same age. I'm sure the police talked to her friends but once again we don't have access to very much regarding Tina. The police have kept that to themselves. I found it interesting because for all of her ramblings in that forum, in the documentary, etc., it was the *only* time I heard/saw her refer to Justin and Tina "like a little boyfriend and girlfriend." It made me wonder if that was the reason Tina apparently chose to stay at 28 that night instead of at 26. ETA: Also, on the "other forum," it's been decided that Marty's motive for the murders was to appease Marilyn...but Marilyn was reportedly already having a fling with Wade Meeks. It's also touted on the "other forum" that Marilyn used the murders as her excuse to break away from Marty, and even Marilyn herself commented more than once that maybe she used the murders as an excuse to finally get away from Marty. It would seem Marilyn would have had the perfect reason for bouncing on Marty when she found about this alleged affair with Sue. It makes no sense that she would use her feminine wiles to coerce Marty into murder as penance for his supposed adulterous behavior. Why wouldn't Marilyn have had a perfectly valid reason to bounce out of Marty's life when she found out about the alleged affair with Sue? And I don't believe anywhere in what I've read prior to the "bombshell" statements by the bartender that there was any reliable indication that Sue and Marty were having an affair at all. I dunno...the more I think about the bartender's statements and the big revelation of the motive on the "other forum," the less inclined I am to believe it. Seems like quite a stretch to have jealousy as the motive when Marilyn was supposedly already involved with Wade and orchestrating a murder(s) just seems to be really reaching for a motive.
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Post by kmik on Dec 19, 2019 22:29:32 GMT -6
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