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Post by Admin Horan on May 24, 2019 17:06:53 GMT -6
Well, Gamberg told me it was a privately arranged adoption. And she had NO trouble getting back with her later. So....
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Post by kay on May 24, 2019 20:51:36 GMT -6
In Sheila’s book, she stated that her two little brothers always wondered when their dad was going to come back and kept saying he was going too, but she also had stated that he had molested her and Tina. It has never been mentioned (at least that I know of) that Sheila or Tina told their mother about it. Maybe that’s why he never wanted them back, because Sheila was getting older and would talk? Who knows. She also stated in her book that she had been in multiple foster homes in California and Oregon, sometimes separated from her brothers.
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Post by kmik on May 24, 2019 21:27:02 GMT -6
I've read that too Kay and it's so sad that they longed to be with him. I wonder if they ever saw him again after the murders. I also remember reading that the boys were in a separate home from Sheila at some point but I guess they were still pretty close.
I know what you're saying Tom and everybody's situation is different but I have a dear friend that had to give a baby up for adoption when she was 15 and I'm not sure it really sunk in until she got older and had more kids. Her mom has been dead for 15 years and she still doesn't know who adopted her child - but I think that's the way her parents wanted it at the time. And I agree that Sheila and the 3 boys should have been the focus of the investigation if for nothing else than the fact that they were the last ones to see them alive. Sheila was allowed to leave the scene with Don who I've very little doubt told her what she needed to share with police and what she did not. And who knows he could have done that unaware of the impact it might really have on the investigation. They would probably never tell anything now because it would appear that they lied or withheld things in 1981. Then again we really don't know what they told in 1981 because we've never read their interview(s).
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Post by kay on May 24, 2019 21:31:49 GMT -6
I don’t know too much about adoption besides what I’ve read online and seen on tv, so correct me if I’m wrong but if it is a closed adoption isn’t it basically illegal for the birth mom to come looking for the child? Or something along those lines. Does anyone know exactly when Sheila was reunited with her daughter? And when it comes to the police letting Sheila LEAVE TOWN (absolutely ridiculous on their part if you ask me) was because she was extremely fragile. Completely understood, if I was in Sheila’s shoes I would be too, but it’s an officers job to kind of see past that as much as possible to get to the bottom of everything. That to me just shows complete incompetence.
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Post by kmik on May 24, 2019 22:09:55 GMT -6
Kay I admit I know nothing about how adoptions are done today or were done in 1981. I do agree that Sheila should have given a statement immediately and not later on that day. And yes it shows ignorance on Shavers part but I can certainly understand this was not a situation they had to deal with frequently. Kudos to Doug Thomas for calling in Crim and Bradley whom he described as “seasoned investigators! Obviously he realized the need for more than what they had in such a small town.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 5, 2019 20:51:18 GMT -6
"Dear Miss R.,
I was told who did it (murders in Keddie). And said he was having family problems, and the creditors where [sic] after him. They also said they hipmintized [sic] this boy and he say everything. He said it was Marty. They said he was having affair with Mrs. Sharp. Mr. Smartt likes to see people being killed and also like to kill dogs and cats.
by Anonymity
PS. They said that he is in Oregon." From Mks old forum. I haven't looked through her stuff for quite awhile, how much did I miss/forget....Apparently this was a note dropped at a school counselors office. There's no date for the note
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Post by kmik on Jul 6, 2019 6:27:56 GMT -6
Thanks Snoho! I thought this note was already on this forum under "Marty Smartt" but all I could find was a reference to it. If this was sent to the QHS counselor Jeri Roll (Miss.R) she resigned in December 1981 because she had gotten married and moved to Oroville. So it was written between April and December 1981.
At the time of the murders the police interviewed several students at QHS and much of that gossip probably came straight from Richard Meeks (Justin had stayed with them and Marilyn was living with Wade so no doubt this was the dinner discussion topic for a long time). Also the line that Marty liked to kill dogs and cats is suspiciously reminiscent of the "Kathy Beckley report of Tina being pregnant" and how Kathy said that Marty told her he liked to eat puppies (weird how Kathy's name pops up several times but never in connection with knowing who gave Johnny and Dana the ride to Keddie).
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 19, 2019 15:18:57 GMT -6
I had the same thought about the cats and dogs thing. So there was obviously talk of sue and marde before last years "big reveal, confirmed"
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 19, 2019 18:40:55 GMT -6
MK has a lot of good info, has anyone archived before her site gets pulled? My computer went TU a while ago
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Post by kay on Jul 19, 2019 19:52:08 GMT -6
MK has a lot of good info, has anyone archived before her site gets pulled? My computer went TU a while ago I believe I tried accessing her site not too long ago and it was full of adds and fake posts and stuff like that (if I’m thinking about the right one). But if it’s not the right one or anyone has the info from it I would love to read it!
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Post by kmik on Jul 19, 2019 20:01:16 GMT -6
It's keddiecoldcasefreeforums.
Soho I think a lot of her info is over here but I don't think she would mind us posting anything over here that we don't have.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 19, 2019 20:27:41 GMT -6
I remember it almost got shut down a few years ago do to inactivity on her part, seems like she may have dropped off. Through all the b.s. I do think some gems were lost with josh,jesse,and mcnaries pages shutting down. Lol, maybe this will be the nudge I need to finally fix up the ol 'puter
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Post by kmik on Jul 19, 2019 20:40:31 GMT -6
Someone put most all of the police reports on Pinterest so there are many that are accessible there. MK's forum still has lots of things and a lot of post from old forums. I can't think of one report that is not already somehow accessible through the web.
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Post by kmik on Dec 17, 2019 20:59:38 GMT -6
The theory of Marty seeing Sue/being fixated on Sue just makes no sense. We have never seen anything in the info we have to indicate that Marty liked Sue, was fixated on Sue, or was seeing Sue. For that matter we've never seen anything to indicate he was a lady's man at all and nobody has ever said that - not even Glenna Meeks. With all of the "Marty" info Josh was allowed to see I find it hard to believe that would have been left out. If Marty was seeing her then why wouldn't he have murdered Marilyn instead of Sue? After all Marilyn did not like his kids, she was seeing other men, and if he killed her he could have left behind his debt to "Aunt Joan" for the red pinto (that wasn't working). Sue had a working car with no car payment that he could have driven all over California and Oregon pulling scams. If he killed her because she was giving Marilyn advice then why didn't he kill Judith Lynt because Marilyn supposedly sought refuge at her house when they were fighting or Glenna Meeks who Marilyn was telling all of her problems to and we know Glenna had an opinion and advise to offer.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 18, 2019 5:04:09 GMT -6
And I don't understand how killing Sue "saved" Marty's marriage to Marilyn, anyway.
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