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Post by karis on Jun 13, 2018 18:17:54 GMT -6
Maybe the angry phone call was actually earlier in the evening. Ricky said his Mom got a phone call around 9pm and Sue replied “who is this”?
Could it be possible that the call was from someone that "maybe" told Sue something about Tina? That might explain why Tina was not allowed to spend the night. Where was Tina? There is very little about her in the timeline.
Timeline A: Late afternoon Paula Seabolt & Tina are walking to the store & see a small brown car with stripes. Tina recognizes her mom in the passenger's seat and waves it down. Paula recognizes the driver as Daryl Josephson.
Timeline A 5:00 pm: Richard & Greg Sharp, Justin Smartt & Sue had burittos for dinner. Richard Sharp/Crim (where did Tina eat?)
By 5:15 - 5:30 pm there is no mention of Tina being with Paula. Maybe that is when she was picking up Greg from Mr. Avery's.
Timeline A 5:15 - 5:30: Richard Sharp & Justin Smartt to outside and play "Ditch" with Paula Seabolt and Casey. (Richard Sharp/Crim (once again where is Tina?)
According to Justin, Tina came home around 7:30 from the Seabolt's and washed the dishes and returned to the Seabolt's.
William Avery: Tina at his house at 7:30 to pick up Greg.
Timeline A 9:00 - 9:30 Tina returns home.
Timeline A 9:00: Paula Seabolt sees a green van parked around the Sharp house about 9:00pm, after dark but she did not see anyone around it. ( Was Tina with her? Maybe she walked Tina home and that is when she saw the van.)
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Post by kmik on Nov 24, 2018 21:13:38 GMT -6
Just reading over Glenna/Marilyn's old post again. According to the Shaver report Justin was interviewed around 10:30am Sunday morning. According to Glenna she picked Marilyn and kids up around 10:00am but that's not possible. She had to have picked Marilyn up Sunday evening just like Justin said in his session with Dr. Dash. Mrs. Meeks also told that she owned a truck (she had taken it to Arizona a few weeks before the murders and brought back Jim the ex). So if she went to pick up Marilyn it would probably have been in her truck not Wade's car. I believe Wade and Marilyn went back out to Keddie the next day (Monday) which is probably when Marty told them he was going to Reno.
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Post by karis on Nov 24, 2018 21:34:50 GMT -6
Dmac said:
Bottom line is it's clear the Meeks are lying about where they were on Sunday, and we have Wade's car flash out of 26 before Dee's car is seen trying to hide from the chopper under trees. With people nearby staring up at the chopper.
April 14, 1981 San Francisco Examiner:
From reading this article (unless the SF Examiner was also in on the "conspiracy") Wade Meeks was in Keddie on Monday and it does not appear he was trying to hide from anyone. No, there he is, gazing into the trees, being interviewed for the newspaper. Him along with 2 other people who lived in Keddie (Kathy Krois and Kellie Wilkinson). But Mike Gamberg knows all of this. He knows when the DOJ and FBI came in.
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Post by 10 on Nov 25, 2018 2:59:16 GMT -6
Nobody here seems to be as familiar with Dmac's research or forum as they claim- or are intentionally being selective with their memories in order to taint his work.
In many posts, he talked of all the binders he saw in the 'Keddie Room', incl full binders on Crim, Bradley, Doug Thomas, Sheila... In two posts (at least), he said Gamman also proved, from CnB's own case files and words, that the DOJ were flying over Keddie on Sunday taking shots and that Crim arrived at that time. I took that to mean Bradley may have gone up by car, which makes sense: get one of the two up there ASAP while the lesser of the two (clearly Bradly is Crim's lesser shadow in all the interviews and files) comes later with the car they use to get around. It's not like Quincy had car rental places, or that DOJ would pay for a rental when Bradley could save thou$and$ by driving an unmarked cruiser. And certainly PCSO didn't have a squad car to spare or the authority to lend it to an outside party.
Dmac also posted how Gamberg found Crim's and Bradley's reports on the therapist confession situation and easily determined that the DOJ simply submitted badly falsified reports in order to undermine the therapist's true story and Marty's confession. It's now pretty widely known by those with enough interest to have read Dmac's forum that the DOJ's report said that the therapist took Marilyn's statements during Marty's sessions as a hodge-podge basis for a confession from Marty. It may make sense to corrupt morons in LE who have no fear their work will ever be second-guessed (or made public), but not to anyone with brains.
How could Marilyn's words ever be called a confession BY Marty? The therapist said he never met Loon, and that his appointments were always with Marty alone. Marilyn has said over and over she never went to Reno to see Marty, and she also never met the therapist. Even when Marilyn lied to Princess about going to see Marty just once and MAYBE that's when she met Bo the first time, she also said she never once went to any counseling with Marty. And how could she meet Bo while visiting Marty? In the VA rubber wards, I think back then it was like a prison visit: the patient alone with the visitor(S)? Or did Loon let slip that she and Bo went to visit Marty, since we know Bo was never in the Reno VA as a patient.
So, what makes more sense? everyone is lying about Crim and Bradley being corrupt liars? that Wade can't be in Keddie on both Sunday at noon (like Dmac & G & Crim said) and Monday (and probably TWThF that week, too... he gave Bo the ride to the bus stop on W, remember) ? that Nina M couldn't have gone to Keddie in Wade's car? she had to drive the truck all the time because she had a truck? Does that mean I have to drive both of my cars everywhere I go at the same time just because I own two?!
The lengths taken on this forum to distance it from proven fact is just sad. I know from his FB page and from messages we've exchanged that Dmac is bored with the case and needed a break from it. Every now and then he says he'll bring the forum back soon, but I get the feeling he's in no rush. He says it's a pretty simple fix, about 1/2 hours work. I know he feels the case is solved but for mopping up the exact roles of leftover scumsacs, and I agree when he says he knows he's not 100% accurate, but he's solved it. There's no way he can be right about all the details, but even current PCSO disagree about very few of those.
So it must be Gamberg and Dmac and Hogwart that are the liars in order for 90% of the disproved 2005-era "work" retreads that make up this forum to be right? Good luck with that. If you hope to truthfully boast this place is "fair and balanced" and open-minded, just like the pathetic right-wing propaganda mill known as Fox News claim, you need to hear and understand my criticism of this forum for the accurate aim it has when pointing out the hypocrisy in full swing here.
You also have to ask yourself why so many of Boubede's family at first denied he was involved in the murders, then changed their tunes when faced with Dmacs and Princess's work. And I recall the very first person to come forward with info on Bo, confirming his criminal and mafia-related work, came right after Dmac and another (Aussie? Ausgirl?) confirmed who Bo was. This person was not only involved in LE but is a relative of Bo.
Don't get me started on the Phillip bs. The only one that ever made sense of that drunk's garbage is- you guessed it- Dmac. He debunked him line by line a good two years before Mike G proved Phillip was selling insider info for beer money. I also think, like that jerk Craig, Phil saw it as a way of getting attention regardless of the price. Besides, the proof is in the pudding: As with the sicko that molested Tina in Quincy in July 80, PCSO and the Plumas prosecutor never again darkened Phillip's doorstep concerning the attempted rape charges he faced in 1981.
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Post by kmik on Nov 25, 2018 7:32:03 GMT -6
Yeah well 10 back to the subject. Were the aerial photos (the ones made public) taken at noon on Sunday? If Gamberg can prove they were then maybe he should give you that info so that you can prove they were. Until then we will continue to say it is unknown when they were taken due to the lack of LE and spectators. Shaver was still interviewing people around/after noon on Sunday so there is no way everyone had packed up and left.
I do remember all those binders 28 said he saw in the Keddie room. I just don't remember him saying he actually read anything in the binders.
Was there written documentation in Marty's file, taken by Marty's therapist on the day Marty gave his "confession"? If not then you can throw all of that to the wind along with Henry's. I've also never heard that Marilyn was at any of these sessions but Josh Sebold was allowed by PCSO to read the report on the therapist. The report indicated that Martin's wife called the therapist after the murders saying she thought Martin committed them but that Martin denied this later. Did Marilyn call the Reno therapist? Did she call Dr. Cheeseman? Was Dr. Cheeseman Marilyn's doctor? I guess we'll never know. But if there was no documentation of the confession then the DOJ were "correct" not "corrupt" to dismiss it all as hearsay.
Could Wade have been in Keddie all week after the murders? Absolutely. But if his car was there around noon on Sunday then I'm pretty sure Shaver took down his tag number and Gam should have that info also. If Glenna used Wade's car and if these photos were taken at noon on Sunday then it wasn't Wade "sneaking" out of Keddie.
Bo Boubede's family's thoughts about this case (or Princess or her dad's beliefs) are about as interesting to me as the Meeks family's. Were not over here trying to distance anyone from the facts we just use what we have and if anyone has any "facts" to give then maybe they should produce them.
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Post by 10 on Nov 25, 2018 11:59:01 GMT -6
until you can prove a camera was made to take those photos, I'll be your twin: I'll doubt they are photos at all and just caveman drawings.
Disgusting how small-brained the owners of a lie about free thought really are.
Go back to your cave and try to draw Wade Meeks out of a photo taken at noon on Sunday. Wicked Witches coouldn't keep up with the bs dished here.
Until you provwe to me each and every reference you make is from a real cop file, then by your own roolz you are the fraud.
Simple Simon says you're far worse than developmentally challenged, that your attempts to undermine real research is far worse than mistakes on your part. Developmentally challenged? Nope. Simple Simon says you're messing with facts just so you can claim you're open-minded. Nothing is proven, according to you. Therefore, you've shown no evidence the murders ever happened. Therefore, youo are equal to Craig.
But even I know you're better than Craig. But that means you could be worse. See how damning your double standards are?
Still by your rules prove to me the murders happened, using the same bizarre rules you just imagined in your last post about Mike G needing to prove when/how photos were taken over 28/26/keddie. Until you meet the standards you apply to others, you prove to be just another brain-challenged fraud.
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Post by kmik on Nov 25, 2018 16:05:26 GMT -6
From the Shaver Report:
Mike should have no problem verifying what cars were in Keddie on Sunday. Since the aerial photo was stamped April 15,1981 (apparently the date developed) then we have no idea when the photos available to us were taken. You can twist that as many times as you'd like and get as far off subject as possible but it still comes back to we don't know when the photos were taken.
I certainly do believe during the first few days of the investigation a helicopter flew over Keddie and snapped aerial photos. I just have no idea who took them or when they were taken.
Who were the real cops in this case? According to 28 basically everyone associated with this case was corrupt and most all of the police reports were falsified. These reports have been on the forums for YEARS and I have yet to see one person come forward to say, "that was not what I told the police at the time of the murders". Since many of the interviews, by Hagwoods own admission, were recorded it shouldn't be too hard to find out if any were falsified or not.
Thanks Karis for sharing that article - I've never seen it on any of the forums.
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Post by 11 on Nov 25, 2018 17:18:36 GMT -6
Hmmm suspecting 10 is D in sheep's clothing-sure writes the same. Keep up the good work K and K.
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Post by karis on Nov 25, 2018 19:04:05 GMT -6
Yes 11 I agree. We always know his post. He seems to come unglued when anyone challenges his theory. A theory, that in fact, he was not the was not the first to suggest (although he always takes the credit). That would be Josh Hancock. It's just funny to me. He seems more like Craig always injecting HIMSELF into any forum that disagrees with him. I don't have the answers to solve this case. And undoubtedly Mike G does not either. So I'm wondering HOW does he know all this for a FACT?
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Post by 10 on Nov 26, 2018 1:15:13 GMT -6
Mike G knows wen DOJ goons came in: Noon Sunday.
You've done nothing here but prove you selectively believe whatever you want to believe in order to buy into your own bs. You've e proved you can't prove anything exists, yet there it is for you to ignore when it doesn't fit your premise.
Who is Shaver? He was disliked by D Thomas and his cronies. But who was he? Prove he even existed before quoting supposed documents you must accept as not being real, in that you can't prove they ever existed either.
Once again, I accept your bizarre challenge: I ask you to give a shred of evidence these murders ever happened. Otherwise, your inability to directly meet your own odd rules means everything you've said is a series of lies. There are no photos, right? you've not disputed they're exactly what I've chosen to claim: They're caveman drawings, right?
There is no real Shaver report. We don't know when photos were taken because you can't even prove they exist.
Lets widen the scope of stupidity accepted as fact here: Not only were there no murders, you can't meet your own standards to prove Sue was ever alive, much less murdered. Prove to me Justin and Marilyn are real. And quoting a newspaper or other references prove nothing, as you must accept that you willfully ignore any media that doesn't fit your theory: ANYBODY other than Marty and Bo and Marilyn and Justin and Dee and Tony and whoever else is under your blanket of bs never hurt anyone.
So meet your own standards. Simple Q. Prove to me there were any murders. Prove to me, to my satisfaction you've met your own stated standards, that Sue or Marty or Bo ever existed. Prove it.
PROVE it to us all.
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Post by kmik on Nov 26, 2018 5:31:21 GMT -6
Again what day were the aerial photos (that have been made public) taken? Just a date will do no lengthy rant is necessary.
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Post by snoho17 on Jan 8, 2019 22:59:47 GMT -6
Dude, the super infantile name generating plus the nonsensical rambling really sold me on the Marty did it cuz sue was messing with his marriage while banging each other so marilyn had her son kill the family while bo did a mob hit and wade killed them all to bang marilyn throw Glenna in theory.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 30, 2019 18:54:48 GMT -6
I'm not going to moderate Mcnarie's ("10") posts because people need to see what an ass he is. No one has done more damage to this case than McNarie.
And you know who's done the most damage to McNarie's own website? McNarie, that's who. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR that those aerial photos were NOT taken on Sunday April 12. They were CLEARLY taken on Tuesday, when the AERIAL SEARCH FOR TINA'S BODY WAS ATTEMPTED. As k and k have EXHAUSTIVELY proven.
So, let's pretend "10" isn't McNarie. Let's pretend it's someone else with shit for brains. Let's ask him the same question I asked McNarie: "If these aerial photos were taken on Sunday, then WHERE ARE ALL THE FUCKING COP CARS? Where? Shit for brains? POINT THEM OUT. Use all the four letter words you want. JUST POINT TO THE GODDAMNED COP CARS.
You can't. Because they aren't there. Because these photos were taken on TUESDAY. Not Sunday. Shit for brains.
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Post by kmik on Aug 22, 2019 22:00:28 GMT -6
Here are some things that are obvious to me after years of reading Mrs. Meeks posts:
1. She had only been friends with Marilyn for a few weeks before the murders (Wade possibly longer)
2. She had only been around Marty 6 or 7 times - she did not know him any better than she knew Marilyn.
3. The trip to Reno took place on Monday just like Marty said. She said the day after the murders but implies the day of the murders around 10:00am no later which is impossible since Justin was in Keddie being interviewed around 10:15am.
4. She and her family spent many post trying to convince everyone that Craig did not live in Quincy until after the murders - but he was listed in the FRB as living in Quincy in 1980.
5. She did her very best to revive Marilyn's memories to match what she and Richard had apparently told Josh and Sheila for the documentary.
6. She still held a grudge against Marilyn 25 years after she dumped Wade.
7. Sue and the kids left her house around 6:00pm - we know from the timeline that is not accurate. Plus she told in 1981 that Walter called the Sharps house looking for Johnny around 5:00pm and Sue said he and Dana had gone back to the foster home.
8. Her posts consisted mainly of trying to protect her family while trying to convince everyone of why a man, she hardly knew, was guilty of these murders
9. She admits to wondering in 1981 if Marilyn was accusing Marty just so she could get away from him.
10. She added very little to the forum while Marilyn herself actually talked about possible scenarios and even brought up several names -
11. She always claimed the cops thought she was "shining" on them because of her friend Marilyn - but maybe the police were wondering if she was trying to throw suspicion away from Richard.
12. She really did not know these people and only took in Marilyn after the murders because of Wade (because she and her 19 year old son had fallen for this 34 year old woman's sob stories)
I don't really believe that the Meeks were involved in these murders, but she and Richard were completely involved in giving the Marty theory to Josh and Sheila. The only reason Josh released anything that might cast suspicious onto the Meeks was because Marty's name was attached to it - same for the report on Tina being pregnant, had Marty's name not been told in the gossip that report would still be buried in a box.
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Post by kmik on Feb 9, 2021 22:38:52 GMT -6
From Glenna's old post:
Feb 2007:
Surely she was referring to (I can only see her post) the famous jailhouse exchange which I'm sure they all talked about in 1981 when it happened and they knew back then exactly what Marty was referring to - Wade and Marilyn - not Marty killing Sue.
March 2008:
Glenna Meeks knew VERY little about Sue or her love life.
April 2008:
This is the same incident told to Crim and Bradley by Marty and Bo in their interview. Bo said it happened the day of the murders and Bo and Marilyn witnessed it and she told Marty and he told Justin not to say anymore.
Nov 2008:
I do remember in the second documentary that Ed Cates said he and Justin "sought out the spirits" from the Keddie murders and Justin's girlfriend, Amber, and his brother, Casey were there also. Justin took on the spirit of "Marty". Before Josh finished filming Cates contacted him and wanted to say more (please go watch this at the end of the documentary!!!) and he talked of how Justin took on Marty's person and gave most of the revelation when speaking "through" Marty's spirit and his voice, attitude and skin changed and he became an evil persona. I wonder if Justin "revealed" more to Ed Cates while speaking as the "spirit of Marty" because it was easier for him to tell what he knew while pretending to be someone else. And no I DO not believe in that junk.
I do believe Justin came home telling them what he knew that morning and Marty told him if he said anything they all would be killed or if he told police what he was telling them that he (Justin) would be found guilty for taking part in it.
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