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Post by kmik on Dec 16, 2019 21:43:54 GMT -6
Good question Kay - why were they there for so long? What had they been doing all day besides shuffling around town looking for a ride 7 miles up the road to Keddie? She never had to tell the police that she was "seeing" Dana to be able to tell them she knew (if she did) how they got home. I really question "facts" that Gamberg supposedly told to Dmac because I have never watched a cold case (even cases much older than this) where the police were willing to divulge ANY information to anyone and certainly not a forum administrator with obvious mental issues. NEVER! LE has never said Justin's DNA was on anything or that Kathy's "friend" took the boys home - only that DNA was linked to someone and that they now knew who took the boys home.
Pat Dorris said the boys told her that Kathy was giving them a ride to Keddie. Kathy Beckly was talked to by Ken Shanks the week after the murders and she said that Pat Dorris told her that Donna Williams said she (Donna) took them home - so Kathy never told LE she knew who took them home. Maybe Kathy told Donna to say she (Donna) took them home so she (Kathy) wouldn't be questioned. Whatever the reason why be so secretive about who took them home if she knew? The police begged for that info for years it makes no sense. So what were they doing at Kathy's? Who knows maybe they all went over to the Compton's party or met up with someone at Ganser park? If Kathy took them home or knew who did she could have told it to the police without ever revealing she was "seeing" Dana. That is a flimsy excuse and nothing but a cop-out. So yes it could all be a lie from Kathy or from Gamberg. Professional LE does not share info with a forum and if they are stupid enough to they shouldn't mind sharing it with the local paper - which they didn't do.
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Post by kay on Dec 17, 2019 19:24:46 GMT -6
That was my next question, I remember someone, hagwood or gamberg I can't remember, saying that there was DNA from a living suspect found in the crime scene. How did dmac get that info? Does he have someone from the inside feeding him this stuff, did he steal the info last time he was there? If it is not true, why would dmac say that? especially since if it is not true homeboy could have a huge lawsuit on his hands for accusing all these people of murder if there is no evidence behind it lol.
When it comes to Kathy Beckly, I am just so confused for that whole situation. How long was she seeing Dana and WHY? What were they doing the whole time at their house that was so terrible that she could never admit she knew who gave them the ride?
A question I have for someone who knows about this stuff, let's say Kathy willingly went to the police and told them everything (and was truthful) would they be able to charge her for anything (as in seeing Dana if it was illegal or if there was something else going on)? Or would they not charge her because they don't want to discourage her or anyone else from coming forward with information?
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Post by kmik on Dec 17, 2019 20:30:11 GMT -6
The info of DNA belonging to a living suspect has been around since at least 2014 and was on Dmac's forum (if my memory is right Princes had written to the DA and either the DA or Gamberg shared that info- maybe someone else would remember exactly). Gamberg supposedly told Dmac in 2017 that the DNA belonged to Justin and Dmac posted it on his forum and FB page. But Gamberg nor Hagwood has said this from their own lips.
I'm probably not the one to answer this but what could they charge Kathy with? The "story" that Gamberg supposedly told Dmac was that he had found who took the boys home and it was a mutual friend of Kathy Beckley and Kathy's mother (who they called to take the boys home because Kathy didn't have enough gas). She supposedly didn't reveal it because she was seeing Dana. This same person who took the boys home was supposedly a bartender who told the police in 1981 that Marty was seeing Sue - she supposedly knew this because she went to FRC with them and had seen them at the bar in Greenville together. She is also, supposedly. the bartender who said Karl Spang was not at the Pioneer Bar that night. If Kathy and her mother called for the boys a ride why were they seen uptown looking for a ride long after they supposedly left Kathy's?? Why did she bother trying to get them home even long after they left her house?
Problem is the only Pioneer Bar waitress that I can see on the PON to tell dispel Karl's story to Deputy Wright was Judith Lepley (now deceased). Funny that we've never heard that Marty was seeing Sue but here is a waitress in 1981 telling the police just that - yet she failed to tell them she is the one who took the boys to Keddie??
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 18, 2019 5:00:18 GMT -6
Uuuuhhhh....Gamberg's lips DID tell me that was Justin's DNA on the tape around Sue's mouth. FWIW.
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Post by kay on Dec 18, 2019 6:10:48 GMT -6
Wow....... and they can’t get a warrant or anything like that to even have him be questioned? I mean it’s not hard to find the guy.
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Post by kmik on Dec 18, 2019 6:59:43 GMT -6
Do you not find it odd Tom that Gamberg would tell you and Dmac (strangers to him), via phone or email, information that he didn't even share with FRB, People Magazine, or the ID show? I'm not doubting you when you say he told you that information but I have my doubts about why he would tell you that - and believe me I don't have a problem believing Justin's DNA is on anything. Gamberg told you it was on tape around Sue's mouth and Dmac said he told him it was on a piece of tape near Sue's head. So what's the truth? Was it on every piece of tape that they tested?
Gamberg nor Hagwood has publicly announced who the DNA belonged to. Dana's own dad said the police wouldn't tell him anything.
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Post by jmo on Dec 18, 2019 14:07:19 GMT -6
FWIW I don't believe Dana was fooling around with Kathy. Using her for rides? No doubt. She was maybe smoking a little weed with a 17 year old but that's a far cry from "Dana was having an affair with Kathy". Seems like every story has been embellished by Gamberg, Josh's producer, and Dmac to make it more juicy.
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Post by kay on Dec 18, 2019 15:11:53 GMT -6
See I have the opposite view. Dana was a bit of a womanizer (whatever you’re young live ya life) and it seems a handful of women in Quincy/Keddie were sleeping with younger men. And vice versa. But that’s my opinion.
But to be fair, I’ve never really heard WHERE that rumor came from besides reading it on these forums so now I’m kind of on the fence.
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Post by kmik on Dec 18, 2019 16:01:06 GMT -6
This was posted in 2011 by Josh Hancock and is where we got the idea that Dana was seeing an older woman. I'm with you JMO not sure how much "seeing" they were doing but something was going on and yes Kay, older and younger hooking up seemed to be no big deal at the time take for instance Joel Lipsey and the student he was seeing.
jhancock » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:43 pm The document is dated May 13, 1981. To: Director, FBI From: Sac, Sacramento Subject: unsub; Tina Sharo - victim; possible kidnapping
The entire report is under the "Tina" thead.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 18, 2019 21:06:35 GMT -6
I think when I first talked to Gamberg, he thought I was trying to HELP him publicly frame Marty and Bo. He was quite talkative. I did NOT lie to him, I just started asking questions and he answered them. It took him a couple of phone calls to start figuring out that I was NOT interested in helping him frame Marty and Bo. So, he eventually clammed up.
Now, if--and that's a pretty big if--IF Gamberg told the truth about ANYTHING in our conversations, he wasn't SUPPOSED to. You see, it's perfectly legal for police to lie to witnesses, suspects, and the media. They're not supposed to lie under oath, but that's it. They're NOT supposed to reveal true confidential details of open investigations, UNLESS the prosecuting attorney thinks the public needs to know, or that the information might help the public come forward with information. So, if Gamberg was telling the truth about Justin's DNA, then he was breaking the law. Twice--one count of interfering with the investigation, and one count of violating Justin's privacy. If Gamberg LIED about that DNA, then, all he did was continue to destroy any chance that the public MIGHT come forward with useful information. But there's no law against libeling the dead, and if Justin wants to sue, all he has to do is prove Gamberg lied to me. And I will retract my statements on the matter.
IF Gamberg or Justin or anyone else wants to walk into a courtroom and prove, under oath, to a court, that Gamberg lied, I won't stop them. Otherwise, I can only report what Gamberg told me.
Oh, Gamberg lied to me, all right. About several things. Important things. So, I'M not saying that's Justin's DNA. I'm only saying, Gamberg TOLD me it was.
Does that make sense?
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Post by kay on Dec 18, 2019 22:22:22 GMT -6
Makes perfect sense but what doesn’t make sense to me is why is Gamberg lying about all this shit. Like seriously, unless he was somehow involved in these murders (and I’m not saying he is) what good could come from lying. Is he protecting someone?
Also now that I’m re reading the posts, I’m starting to change my mind on believing Dana was sleeping with an older woman. Don’t get me wrong it’s a little odd that they were hanging out, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they were banging. And when he said “was becoming a womanizer” the kid was at his sexual peak, majority of 17 year olds are horn dogs lmao
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 19, 2019 6:04:32 GMT -6
Well, I suggest that Gamberg IS responsible to a significant degree. He's the one who shoots his mouth off about being such close friends of Sue and Johnny and Dana, how he was teaching to boys to kill each other exactly the way Dana was killed, how he was so unjustly fired from PCSO the day before a man fitting his description to a "T" got into a towering argument with Sue days before she was murdered, how, out of spite over being fired, he refused to lift one finger to help catch his "friends'" killer, how he was this great undercover narc who used informants to bust all the dope farmers in Plumas (who were competing against the Hells Angels).
Who had a motive to use Dana, a not-very-smart juvenile delinquent, as an informant, to get his job back by busting the kids who got Gamberg fired in the first place? MIKE GAMBERG.
Who has a motive to get revenge on Doug Thomas for firing Mike Gamberg? MIKE GAMBERG.
Who has a motive for using his "job" at PCSO to cash in on this "case? MIKE GAMBERG.
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Post by kmik on May 30, 2020 8:49:51 GMT -6
I'm gonna try to piece this mess together:
From Keddie28 FB Page: (Post of an email Mike G sent 28)
From the PON List:
Unless this bartender's name is not on the PON list then Cruzita is the only person from Greenville (who lived/worked at the Pioneer Bar) who was interviewed by Wright, knew Karl Spang, and obviously familiar enough with MV parties, Dana Green, and Karl Spang - and I bet she could have told them if Johnny and Dana were/were not at the party in MV because apparently she was familiar with them (the boys and the MV parties) . If this is her was this "Sue" she kept saying was different "Sue" really Sue Sharp? OH MY SO CONFUSING!!
Keddie28 FB Page:
We don't have Cruzita's interview so maybe she did say Marty and Sue were shagging on 1981, but according to the PON list she talked to FOUR different officer's claiming someone was a "different Sue and not Sue Sharp". And to believe that Dmac had a revelation that Kathy Beckley was somehow connected to the Karl Spang story which led to Mike calling Kathy and Kathy spilling the beans on bartender chauffeur is ridiculous. It's much easier to believe the bartenders name was in the Karl reports AND was also in the typing class at FRB which makes me wonder if Kathy Beckely name was also on the roster???
How does the bartender OMITTING that she took the boys home prove that Steve Wright was involved in a coverup? She lied on one of the biggest questions in this case yet were suppose to drink the rest of her kool aid?? I think it was Joe Plumber who referred to Keddie28 as a soap opera and nothing could be more accurate.
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Post by kay on May 30, 2020 8:58:55 GMT -6
Honestly trying to read any of the Keddie28 rants is like trying to read something while having a stroke. I can barely grasp half the shit he rants about because most of it doesn’t make fucking sense and contradicts itself
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Post by kmik on May 30, 2020 14:10:43 GMT -6
So true so true. Let's see the Meeks and Marilyn are liars and the documentaries are crapumentaries, yet whatever they told about Marty in 1981, on the documentaries, and on the old forums are true??? It's easy to "peel apart the layers" and see that the Meeks were believing whatever Marilyn told them in 1981 because Wade and Glenna had listen to Marilyn whine about Marty until Wade fell in "love" with her and his mom welcomed the "damsel in distress" into her home.
When I have time I'm gonna break this down but here's the bottom line:
Everything that came out of Quincy High School was hearsay from the Meeks kids (mainly Richard) right down to the letter to the counselor.
The call to the Green Mountain Gazette a day or so after the murders was info that came from the Meeks and Marilyn. (Marty had been in a mental hospital and a cook at Keddie - I think we've heard those words before)
The call from Aunt Joan Andrews a couple of days after the murders was because of things Marilyn had told her the month before because she and Marty had not been making the loan payment on the pinto that was in Joan's name - but she and Marty used his "being in a mental hospital" and the murders as an excuse to let another month slide without a payment. If Marilyn was so close to Aunt Joan she would have known years later when Aunt Joan passed away - but she didn't and Marilyn posted on the forum about her as if Aunt Joan was still alive but she wasn't. They (Marilyn and Marty) used Aunt Joan for a car then left her hanging and didn't even know when she died.
Phillip's info came from the Meeks - if he had any involvement he added Marty's name to the story, courtesy of the Meeks, as someone to lay the blame on.
Pat Sloaterman and Kathy Beckley's "Marty stories" came from Feather River Collage where Wade Meeks and Marilyn were going.
Brent Hayes is the one (was he a friend of Wade) who got a threatening call from Marty but the call was about killing Marilyn's boyfriends (which he didn't) if she didn't come back to him - so was Marty calling Brent to get a message to Wade and Marilyn??
Michael Bower's knew who the composites looked like HOW? The composites looked the same and like nobody at all.
The police knew all of these people and their connections - they connected dots in 1981 that took us years to connect!!
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