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Post by kmik on Feb 24, 2019 9:27:06 GMT -6
810411-1750c Johnny & Dana left the Foster home after a visit to go to Kathy Beckley's for a ride back to Keddie. <Pat Dorris / Bradley>
28 claimed to have been told by Mike that Kathy had promised the boys a ride but had no gas so she had her mom call the bartender/mutual friend for the boys a ride.
It just doesn't make sense. Why would she have promised the boys a ride if she didn't have enough gas to go 7 miles up the road?? She obviously had promised them a ride BEFORE they went over to her house around 6:30-7:30pm so had the boys called her on the phone or had they already been with Kathy or to Kathy's house that day? If so when and why? I'm sorry but there is just something about all of this with Kathy, bartender/taxi that is just weird - I'm not saying they were in 28 killing anyone - but they lied for years by not admitting to the ride. WHY? It's amazing to me that people have spent YEARS gleaning over everything Marty Smartt said or everything said about Marty Smartt but less than 5 people have even questioned WHY in the world the bartender did not come forward in 1981. If people know their Marty Smartt info like they should then they would know that Kathy is the person who told the "Marty eating puppies" and the "Tina was pregnant by Marty Smartt" stories, and her mutual friend the bartender/taxi is the one who told the police that Marty was "shagging" Sue Sharp. Why were they so willing, in 1981, to tell these Marty "stories" yet did not tell the police who took the boys home? For 36 years this was a major question that was being asked over and over - a major question.
It seems Kathy and the bartender were trying to throw suspicion onto Marty, whose name by this time was floating around courtesy of Marilyn and the Meeks and Marty had already left the area so no worries about throwing his name around.
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 25, 2019 9:57:11 GMT -6
"She (Kathy Beckley) obviously had promised them a ride BEFORE they went over to her house around 6:30-7:30pm so had the boys called her on the phone or had they already been with Kathy or to Kathy's house that day?"
That's a very good question. Here's another one: IF this "bartender" friend of Kathy's agreed to give the boys a ride, then what were they doing STILL hanging around the Exxon after 9:00pm? Gamberg's claim (IF McNarie repeated it correctly) that this "bartender" gave them a ride, then what happened between 7:30 and 9:30? And there is NO WAY "she" gave them a ride [to Cabin 28] at 9:30, because they STILL weren't there at 10:00 when everyone went to bed.
Sooooooo, IF this "ride" actually happened, then WHERE did she take them, and WHEN? It WASN'T Cabin 28, and it WASN'T before 10:00pm.
Phillip's confession is still the only one that fits the known facts--IF I'm right that they went to Tom Schultz's cabin, instead of Cabin 28:
From 7:30-9:30 the boys are going back and forth between the Exxon and the park. Who knows? Maybe this "bartender" was one of those "rides."
9:30ish: Two men Phillip didn't know--and Chuck and Henry are the most likely--pick up Johnny, Dana, and Phillip and drive to Tom S's cabin, where something terrible happens.
Between 10:00-12:00 Dana is (maybe accidentally) strangled to death and then Johnny is clubbed once with an object just about like a baseball bat.
Between 12:00-3:00 Chuck and Henry (or whoever) carry the boys back to Cabin 28. They try to make it look like the whole thing happened there--but they forgot Dana's diabetic kit, back at the other cabin. They stab Johnny in the throat and he bleeds out. (Phillip is still hiding under Tom S's cabin.) Before they finish, Sue wakes up and comes out and interrupts them trying to cut/stab Dana's throat. They beat her and tie her up. They tell Tina "come with us and we won't have to kill your mother." They tell the boys "Keep your mouths shut and Tina will be all right." They leave, taking the BB gun, the knfe (probably scissors) they used to stab Johnny in the throat, the tape rolls, Tina (who is fully dressed to go out in cold weather) and then either one of them comes back to finish off Sue, or more likey, JUSTIN finishes of Sue, but stabbing her in the chest with the butcher knife. Then someone (probably Justin) hits Johnny and Dana in the head with Sue's hammer. Both of those weapons were STILL in Cabin 28 the next morning.
About 4:00ish am, Chuck and Henry leave Tom S's cabin with Phillip and Tina. They see Jim Seabolt cleaning out his truck bed on his way to cut wood (and they assume he saw them.)
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Post by karis on Mar 8, 2019 6:38:21 GMT -6
Three people, (besides the people in the bar and restaurant) left Keddie and returned that night. They are listed on the timeline and they were questioned. We are told that Mike found the person going through the Karl Spang file. Look at Timothy Dembosz on the Timeline. Not that he or the girls he was with took the boys home but his story possibly places Karl's van by the pond at the time the boys should have arrived in Keddie.
810411-2130c (2130-2200) Carl Spang leaves the Greenville show & drives to Meadow Valley. He sees "Dana" & another man, "John" or Jake" & inside were two WMAs well dressed & two other WMAs. The six got into a dark blue LTD and a small car & Carl followed them to Quincy & then to Keddie. <Carl Spang / Stoy
PON List Timothy Dembosz In bar 4/11/81 @ 10:00 - 12:00, dark colored van by the pond when he left. (Tim D/Crim)
Timeline A: 10:00 - 10:30 Timothy D arrives @ the Back Door Bar to meet his girlfriend Celine T who got off aat 10:30pm after working a banquet at the resturant. Celine's girlfriend, Dana Green (not the male Dana Green) was also at the bar. (Tim D/Crim)
Sometime after 10:30 Dana Green, Celine T. girlfriend, leaves the Back Door Bar and drives to Quincy to pick up another girlfriend, Kathy Johnson. (Tim D/Crim)
11:00 Kathy Johnson arrives at the Back Door Bar with Dana Green. (Kathy J/Crim)
12:00 Timothy D leaves Back door Bar and enroute, sees's a dark colored quare shaped van parked across the Keddie Bridge by the pond. (Tim D/Crim)
2:00am Kathy JOhnson leaves Back Door Bar with Celine T. in Celine's car. (Kathleen Johnson/Crim)
According to the timeline 3 people left Keddie and returned that night, Dana G., Victor K. and James Seabolt. Not one of these people said they say the boys that night. No one person that left the area that night said they saw the boys or gave them a ride.
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Post by jmo on Mar 15, 2019 17:27:54 GMT -6
Was Gamberg "the bartender"? It's the only thing that fits. The "protection of the bartender" the "knowledge" David at 28 has...
COULD IT BE?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 15, 2019 17:29:33 GMT -6
No, but that's not a bad guess. I don't remember her name at the mo, but it's a woman. Except, of course, she's full of shit.
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Post by jmo on Mar 15, 2019 17:34:50 GMT -6
But, I've been through all the bartenders. David said "Right bar. Wrong bartender." How do you know it's a woman? I've been ripping this apart for quite some time....thus the crickets. I think you've solved a lot of this, Tom. Perhaps the boys came home to "check in" with Sue...then she went to bed. Justin heard them when they came home at midnight. Tina may have snuck out as well. And, that may be the reason she was gone.
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Post by kmik on Mar 15, 2019 18:12:10 GMT -6
If we assume 28 was given the correct info (and that's iffy) he said it was a female Pioneer Bar bartender, she supposedly went to Feather River College with Sue and Marty, she supposedly said that Marty and Sue were seeing each other and she had seen Sue at the Pioneer Bar in Greenville with Marty. This female bartender also supposedly dispelled Karl's story of being at the Pioneer Bar. This info was supposedly given in 1981. Her giving the boys a ride to Keddie was not told until 2017. Could all of this be wrong? Yes
Karis pointed out that female Dana Green left the Keddie Bar around 10:00pm to pick up Kathy Johnson for Celine Thibeault (who had been waitressing at the restaurant until 11:00 then went downstairs to work at the bar) from Quincy and bring her back to the bar where they stayed till 2:00a.m.(we're guessing until Celine got off work). Timothy Dembosz (the person to give the info on the van by the pond) was Celine's boyfriend. Dana Green leaving the bar around 10:00 and returning with Kathy around 10:30 is within the time frame of the last sightings of the boys in Quincy.
JMO I think it's good to rip all of these things apart. That's the only way we ever figured out who Marty's counselor was.
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Post by jmo on Mar 16, 2019 0:45:18 GMT -6
Don't you think it's strange that he has NAMED everyone (even "anonymous informant Collier" and #974 Wally) but yet, holds THIS particular bartender's name back? Dmac has never "protected" a woman in his life. So, what gives?? Could this be a little rabbit hole he'd like us to go down to feel like he's got something over on us all? I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by karis on Mar 16, 2019 6:20:50 GMT -6
Good to hear from you jmo! It is very strange he hasn't told us the name of the bartender's name considering he has "outed" everyone else. I don't believe most of what he says because I think he is being mislead. I am not a fan of Mike Gamberg but I don't believe he would let dmac solve a case that has become this well known and take a backseat to (the psycho).
Dmac has never "protected" a woman in his life.
His hate of women comes through loud and clear. But then again he hates everyone that disagree's with him. He has projected in his own writings or posts HIS thoughts, and opinions and they are full of hate. He has then said this (his own opinions that are in his own writing for everyone to see) is a picture of Marty Smartt. We don't know that much about Marty smartt. We only know what Marilyn said. They both were obviously troubled people as were most involved in this case.
So, what gives?? Could this be a little rabbit hole he'd like us to go down to feel like he's got something over on us all? I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised
I am not even sure he was given the name or he would revealed it himself. We once asked him about the ride home and he said if he knew he would have "posted it" becasuse he knew how important that information would have been to the timeline. There is no way he would sit on that information. So either he doesn't know the name or he knows and it doesn't line up with his theory.
I think you've solved a lot of this, Tom.
Tom is an example to me of someone who is a good forum administrator. He has his own theories or thoughts but allows us to have our own. He doesn't push his theories. Dmac had the perfect setup in the beginning. I mean he had some of the key players on his forum but he knew more than everyone else and he lost those contacts.
Thanks Tom for giving us a place to discuss the case. Jmo, once again it was great to hear from you!
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 16, 2019 19:02:29 GMT -6
*blush* I just wish I could be more help. But without the rest of the files, all I can say is, the kids did it--or maybe they helped Chuck and Henry.
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Post by jmo on Mar 24, 2019 22:05:38 GMT -6
Daniel Robert Turner, 64, diedApril 12, 2003, at his residence in Quincy. Dan was bornJan. 9, 1939, to Willie and Alice Turner, in Oroville where he was raised. He was a 1958 graduate of Oroville High School. He had been a resident of Quincy for the past 34 years, moving from Carmichael. He had retired from the former Western Pacific Railroad as an engineer after more than 40 years of service to the country. Dan served his country as a member of the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War stationed in Petaluma. He was an automobile enthusiast and a Ford Model A afficionado. He was a member of the Feather River Model A Club and had gained respect for his restoration expertise. He loved to race and was a charter member of the Old Quincy Racing Association where he competed in the stock car division for many years. He was the winner of the association's inaugural race. Dan loved to spend time at the local airport and prior to his diagnosis of cancer was working on obtaining his Private Pilots license. He was a remote control aircraft builder and pilot. He enjoyed the outdoors through snowmobiling and long board skiing, competing at the Long Board Ski Races in Johnsville for many years. He also enjoyed elk hunting and fishing and operated a commercial salmon fishing boat out of Fort Bragg for many years. He was an accomplished woodworker and a former member of the Quincy Elks Lodge. Dan is survived by his wife, Gail of Quincy; daughters, Julie Sessions of Sacramento and Jennifer Gamberg of Susanville; his stepchildren, Joshua Knoettgen, currently with the U.S. Air Force in Iraq; Seth Knoettgen and Debbie De Priest of Quincy; his brothers, Ronald and Dale Turnerof Oroville and Steven Turnerof Roseville; sister, Fern Beal of Redding; and five grandchildren. Following cremation, a celebration of Dan's life will take place at 2 p.m., on Wednesday, April 16, 2003, at the Quincy Christian Life Fellowship Church located at 317 First St., East Quincy. Inurnment will take place in the Quincy East Lawn Cemetery. An opportunity to express your condolences is available online at www.fehrmanmortuary.com. The family asks that any donations in Dan's memory be made to the John Wayne Cancer Institute Development Deptartment c/o Fehrman Mortuary and Crematory, P.O. Box 53, Quincy, CA 95971. Hand to the Lord, I don't go out searching for Mike Gamberg. But...seems he's everywhere? Julie Turner was in the reports that the boys asked her for a ride. A verrrrryyyyy late ride. That she denied. She married a Sessions. Oh boy. And, her sister is Jennifer. And, Jennifer is married to.... I swear...I don't. I really don't.
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 25, 2019 6:28:04 GMT -6
Ooooooooohhhhhhhh...it's his sister-in-law....ex-sister-in-law...they've all been married to each other at one time or another.
I've mentioned it on other threads, but the guy Sue supposedly had a towering argument with in March was obviously Gamberg. There's supposed to be another guy who fits the description, but the detail "his legs looked too short for his body" is GAMBERG. That was the week he got fired from PCSO (for the SECOND time) for taking home a gun that had been seized as evidence. SOMEBODY turned him in. And since Gamberg himself brrraaags about knowing Sue, and being Johnny and Dana's wrestling/martial arts "coach" (he claims Dana was at his house the night before the murders hanging out with his own boys) and undoubtedly was showing off the pistol, it's obvious he blamed Sue and Johnny for getting himself fired. Again.
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Post by kmik on Mar 25, 2019 8:43:55 GMT -6
And Gail lived in Keddie and is supposedly (according to 28) the person who said Sue was out knocking on her door for spend the night company. One of Gail's son's used to post on the forum and I have read a 2011 chat and I was in a 2015 chat when he said it was Marilyn not Sue who asked for the company and he never said it was 4/11/81.
K, GAIL Lived Keddie, her son to spend night at Sharp's(4/11), no - because Sue didn't watch her kids close enough, noticed nothing <SHANKS>
It's amazing to me that so many have spent so much time posting the same old things about Marty. Anyone who has done any research from the PON list knows that all of these people were somehow connected. They were friends, related, worked together, or went to school together.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 2, 2019 15:56:10 GMT -6
4/11/81 @ 1200 visited with Dana & Jose [Joe] Carvalho, Carvalho took John & Dana home that night" Joe was questioned and denied giving ride
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Post by kay on Dec 16, 2019 15:04:00 GMT -6
I have a few questions and maybe points I’d like to point out about the ride.
I have a slight feeling (could be totally wrong btw) that maybe Kathy didn’t know that the FBI/Investigators knew about her and Dana sleeping together? Maybe that could be why she never came forward?
One question I have is how do we know that her confirming who gave the ride is the truth. Gamberg and everyone says “we now know who gave them a ride to Keddie” but how do we know that Kathy telling who gave the ride isn’t a lie like everyone else? Did she know something specific about the ride that only she (if she gave it) & the police know?
And also, what were Johnny and Dana doing at her house for an hour?!?! I never see anyone asking this. Dana has every reason to be over there, he was sleeping with her (that’s technically molestation but whatever). Why would Johnny accompany Dana to his “girlfriends” house? Who else was there, and what did they do for that hour? Unless they were going over there just to get a ride from her. Johnny really had no business being there, unless it was more than just Dana and Kathy there. But that’s just my opinion.
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