kay
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Post by kay on Sept 7, 2019 20:41:46 GMT -6
Damn brew you’re completely right how do we know they really slept lol. But still, it’s been so long, why haven’t they come forward with info? If it really was Marty, he’s (supposedly) dead and bo is apparently living in Florida (from what the doc says but who knows), the only reasons they would still be scared to come forward is the people who did it are still alive or they were involved. Ricky or Justin.
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Post by karis on Sept 7, 2019 20:58:37 GMT -6
Kay, Marty and Bo are both dead. They were both dead before Josh's first video, if i'm not mistaken. If those 2 men were in that house that night then there is no reason for both of them not to come forward. Surely they are not afraid of two dead men or Marilyn either. She is not in good health.
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kay
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Post by kay on Sept 7, 2019 21:04:39 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying that! I wonder if josh got it wrong in the documentary about him living in holiday then. And I thought Marilyn has passed? Maybe the places I’m getting my info aren’t always correct lol
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Post by karis on Sept 8, 2019 11:58:51 GMT -6
Bo died in 1988 and Marty in 2001 or 2002. I am sure that when Marilyn passes away Cabin 28 will have in plastered on his facebook page.
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Post by skeptic on Sept 8, 2019 19:47:48 GMT -6
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Post by skeptic on Sept 8, 2019 19:52:38 GMT -6
Here's the Fantasy Island episode that aired that night: www.imdb.com/title/tt0577725/ "Roarke's goddaughter, about to marry her unsuspecting fiancé, wants him to rid her of her magical powers; and a scientist hoping to uncover the proverbial missing link winds up facing something he never imagined."
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Post by kmik on Sept 9, 2019 6:19:55 GMT -6
I couldn't find season 4 episode 20 on anything reliable either and I would like to see it. But if Justin was in bed sleeping with the noise from the tv influencing his dream then it really doesn't matter what was actually on the screen - only what he heard while asleep in the next room.
Greg supposedly went to bed around 8:30 with Tina supposedly coming home around 10:00 and going to bed at the same time Ricky and Justin go to bed. Sue was supposedly still laying on the couch possibly going to bed after Fantasy Island knowing that Dana would be coming home with Johnny and she didn't want to be on the couch or either she got up when they came home. If the boys came home after 11:00pm as is speculated then Fantasy Island wasn't even on tv. I just have to believe there was never any dream of 2 men and a boat. As Karis pointed out Justin confirmed to the polygraph examiner(not hypnotist) that he witnessed the murders - and Doug Thomas said he passed the polygraph.
Many people want to believe that Justin bounced from "dream" to possible "reality" to cover for Marty but would he have done the same thing for Tina? I fully believe all 3 of them would have covered for Tina in any way. We don't know what happened in that cabin but there is no crime in laying out all possibilities - the crime would be in NOT considering that she was somehow involved (directly or indirectly) in what happened. If the police did not do that then they did not do their job.
Justin first claimed to the police that he slept through the night - later claiming to have witnessed things - then he would resort back to his comfort zone of not being sure what was his dream and what was reality - but he knew all along just like the polygraph proved. Why on earth would Justin have had a problem telling the police it was Marty when his own mother was doing just that?
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kay
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Post by kay on Sept 9, 2019 13:14:20 GMT -6
Is it possible that Justin was getting his story mixed up with the “dream” or tv show he was watching because he was so traumatized? His mind blocked it out for him and it took him time and (amateur) hypnosis sessions for it to all come back? And as for him not telling it was Marty when Marilyn was doing that, it’s possible he was just THAT terrified of him. Or bo. I mean, I know when working on this stuff you’re not suppose to be sympathetic when getting information, but I have to tell you I find it hard not to feel a little bad for those boys at the time. At this point I don’t feel bad because come on, time to talk.
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Post by kmik on Sept 9, 2019 15:02:08 GMT -6
He was taken the week after the murders to stay with someone in Meadow Valley so he wasn't even with Marilyn (and going back and fourth between Marilyn and whoever was obviously something he was very used to at that point). The police seem to have been very sympathetic to all of them (which is understandable but not helpful to the investigation). In the long run, if they would have drilled these kids and gotten to the truth, it might of help them move on without this cloud of doubt hanging over them. If they don't know what happened then they don't know but I seriously doubt that and I bet the police doubt that also.
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Nov 6, 2019 2:00:29 GMT -6
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Post by brewserx on Nov 6, 2019 2:00:29 GMT -6
Has anyone seen that episode yet. We know they watched it before bed and that Justin reported having a dream that incorporated elements of the show.. I dont think anyone's investigation, professional or amateur, can be complete without carefully watching that episode.
Still thinking they found(or were given) some lsd. Imagine what taking lsd would do to children, especially at high doses.
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Nov 6, 2019 2:09:55 GMT -6
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Post by brewserx on Nov 6, 2019 2:09:55 GMT -6
Theres no way them boys were asleep early. I remember being that age and staying over at a friends. Stayed up as late as possible, every time.
Maybe they find some lsd, peer pressure each other into ingesting. Maybe, as a joke, justin(or someone else) spikes some beverages or uses some other way to get them to ingest. They start tripping while they are watching that episode. Watching anything while tripping will leave a impression. Something they watched on that episode may have triggered the violence.
This shit is just me thinking aloud. But theres no way in hell then two older boys were sleeping that early.
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Post by kmik on Nov 6, 2019 3:58:32 GMT -6
I agree Brew and I was really interested in seeing that episode but the truth is the reality of Justin being able to remember a dream as well as he claimed to a day or days after seems highly unlikely. I can't even remember what I dreamed during my nap today. I just think his claim of "dream" was to keep from admitting he actually knew some of what went on - which he eventually supposedly admitted later.
It would make more sense that they were given drugs but wouldn't they remember taking or being given something?
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Post by camfaults on Nov 10, 2019 23:23:16 GMT -6
How many older women was Dana supposedly involved with in Keddie/Quincy? Were there any rumors that he was involved with Sue? While re-listening to Horan's podcast, I started thinking about why Sue would insist on Tina coming home to a house full of boys instead of staying with her sister at the Seabolts. Had Dana made a move on Sue during a prior visit to Cabin 28? On the night in question, did she think by sharing the bedroom with Tina that would prevent an amorous teenage boy from making a move on her?
This area in Plumas County was rife with inappropriate behavior between children and adults.
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Nov 21, 2019 20:25:51 GMT -6
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Post by snoho17 on Nov 21, 2019 20:25:51 GMT -6
I doubt there was anything going on between Dana and Sue, I'd bet my last dollar that any relationship he had with older gals were just the perks of supplying. I only ever heard of one, and I did a double take when I saw her age.(29?) But like most things about this murder, I can't even say that's not a rumor
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Post by karis on Nov 22, 2019 8:49:17 GMT -6
I agree with snoho17. I think maybe she was supplying him. Who knows maybe he was in a relationship with her but I don't think so. This is a picture of Kathy Beckley in 1991, ten years after the murders.
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