I was going to start a new thread and call it: Parties But, I suppose this should go under theories. Feel free to move this.
Was it Einstein that said, "I get my best ideas while shaving"? Well, I get my best ideas while showering. Maybe I shouldn't say best, because this morning I had a turn for the ugly.
Isn't it strange that quite a few of the people Sue (dated?) came in contact with ended up dead? Ran from the law? Were really horrible people?
SUE. WHAT DID YOU DO. WHATDIDYOUDO and what were you thinking??
Sometimes when we run with dogs...
Daryl J.: Bonnie X states that there is a cocaine problem in Keddie and there is supposed to be a man bringing it in from Paradise once a week. (prior to April 11) Drug runner?
Bob Donnelly: Son of Hell's Angels. Drug runner.
Others?
Groups:
1. Hoodlums. Marty. Bo. Marilyn. Wade Meeks, Dee Lake, all of Keddie, 1/3 of Quincy
2. Druggies: Howard. Walke. Blaine. Mollath. Meeks. Spang. Craig. Krois. JR., Martell, Davis, Spang, Krois, Kautzer, Kautzer's woman Michelle. etc.
3. Enforcers. Oroville, San Rafael?, LA
Groups 1 & 2: UNLUCKY people
Ever notice how some people are just unlucky no matter what they do? Everything they touch turns to sh*t?
Marty tried to be (idk yuckyuck I'm a friendly guy deeberdee) helpful and where did that get him...idiot.
Bo (who knows? Either he had a tie with Jim or he's a simpleton and a non player. Mob? That's good for a laugh. Ya he's gangsta haha)
Marilyn (Keeerist. Marilyn. Where to begin with her? Talk about a woman just plugging along...Being a woman, I wish I had something nice to say about her, but what a Zero.)
Wade: Wet behind the ears and wrapped up in "romance" that one. ugh.
Dee Lake: How much weed does someone have to smoke to sound like him? My guess is A LOT. I imagine he has a cloud around him 24-7. Hey, not judging. Dowhatyado Just don't ask me to take you seriously. lol
The druggies (and others not mentioned): Oh man...Users and criminals. Wouldn't make it at all in the big world. Move along. Find Jesus. Whatever you need to do to get past your guilt.
I'm sure they all have it. And, many of them have found the Lord. Or died young. No skin off my teeth. Are all of them guilty? Yes, to some degree. (Most of their stories have been gone over so I'll spare you.)
But, the enforcers? The henchmen? They're scarey bat-sh*t crazy. They scared Group One and Group Two. Fear is a terrible thing. And, a great motivator. To open your mouth or to keep it shut. Groups one and two both reported Group three.
From where I'm from, we call them "people from Thunderbay". Ya don't mess with 'em. I think Spang knew they were "Thunderbay people". He watched. All. Night. Long.
But, back to my point --
For all we know, Sue could have been running drugs. *Did SUE do a drug rip off?? (No more rose colored glasses with this gal. I wish it was different. But, that damn shower....)
You don't have to be a user to be a runner. Fast money. Scarey times, but fast money. It sucks people in. Wouldn't be the first time.
Parties: Acid/Cocaine (not black beauties or weed)
1. #8 or #9 Cary is now a registrant in Plumas, and it was rumored that he was supposedly at that party at cabin 8 or 9 that night. (8 Steve Clark/Joel Schultz 9 Aleli Ubongen)
2. Karl says on the timeline that the boys were at the party where the dealers were selling and may have gone with them in the car.
3. 810411-0000b Karl S., while at Roger's party in Meadow Valley, saw a "dark colored nice car" with "San Rafael" on the license plate holder. Two clean-cut men with photo-ray
glasses were apparently selling dope from the car. Karl said that Johnny and Dana were at the party.
4. Perhaps relevant to the alleged "acid" party? Joe and Pat/the MV Inn?
5. The Crocker family was a huuuggge name and blamed the Sharps for missing acid. (Look up the Crockers and Comptons. Interesting bunch.)
6. Oakland Camp
7. Keddie five doors south of the store.
8. Dana and Johnny are at a party at Brian C.'s house in East Quincy on Lee Road.
9 Don F. attended a party on Mt. Hough with Jack G. and Carol C.
10. The party "across the first bridge before Keddie" lines up with the bridge into Old Keddie, which is Roundhouse Rd where the Walke home is.
11. Clyde Smith's house on Lee Road.
12. Cemetery Hill at trailer park.
A few more (Also going to spare you.)
BUT, NOBODY KNEW WHERE THE PARTIES WERE...hmmmmmmmmmmmm. No idea how much of this is true. It's just simply overwhelming.
Vehicles:
blue/black car "Blue car and tan car left with boys." (We've all read the reports/Spang)
tan car: Craig? Two unidentified male subjects from Oroville are at Brian C.'s party. Subjects are described as "weird types." One subject was driving a black pickup truck
with red stripes on the side and the other subject was driving a small, tan, compact vehicle, possibly a Ford Pinto.
Karl S. leaves the Greenville show and drives to Meadow Valley. He sees “Dana” and another man, “John” or “Jake,” and inside were two WMAs, well dressed, and two other WMAs.
The six got into a dark blue LTD and a small car and Karl followed them to Quincy and then to Keddie. (9:30-10:00 pm) Spang states he knew the Sharps. Other reports:
midnight.
Said he bought LSD from a "Dana" & a black that lives with a WMA on Lee Rd behind Big O Tire w/ Wht Mustang in front, "Dana" Y black were at LSD party in MV, V/Wingate &
Sharp left party w/ "Dana" & another WMA to Keddie in a Blue LTD or similar car & Brown small car w/ 4 other people, Blue car had flat tire later, he followed 6 people (inc.
John & Dana) to Keddie from party in MV. I take Karl's story with a grain of salt. I think there may be a bit of truth in his dribble because Spang's van was everywhere.
Truck already at Sue's? (Lots of reports on it.) Unidentified male states to Allen C. that he didn't notice anything unusual at the Sharp residence, except that a truck was
parked there. Approximate time: 11:30 - midnight.
STRANGERS: Who reported strangers? (Those stickoutlikeasorethumbinasmalltown people)
1. Marty (We've all read it)
2. Tom Curnow. (saw them a week prior to the murders and they were driving an older white Ford sedan.) He also saw on the morning of April 11 about 3 a.m. on the County annex road next
to Gray’s flower garden acting intoxicated or high. He had a feeling it was one of the 2 men he saw earlier. Under hypnosis, he described 2 subjects. Subject #1 looked Mexican, was
5’11”, wore glasses, slender, had short side burns, thick wide dark mustache, black greased back hair combed straight back with ears showing, wore a blue jean jacket and blue jean
bell pants with thick black belt with silver buckle with 2 rings, wore thick soled logging type boots. Subject #2 had blond greasy shoulder length hair combed behind his ears, with
a silver earring in his left ear, wore reflective glasses, wearing a green army jacket and a white tank top with baggy blue jeans, no belt. He smoked cigarettes.
3. Howard and Walke (dumpster) (Take this for what you may. Are they Unlucky People?)
4. At FRC Geramie (JR) Judd (Two unidentified male subjects knocked on Margot B.'s apartment, # 208, at F.R.C. apartments, asking, "Where does J.R. live?" Date: 4/11/81. Approximate
time: 11:15 pm. Subjects described as looking "wild and ragged, with wild looks in their eyes." Both had parts down the center of their heads. One was short with a mustache and the
other was tall and clean-shaven.)
5. At airport--looking for "blow"
6. Spang
7. Arnes B
8 Frank A., Jr., observed three people walking toward Keddie past his residence. The two in front were short, and the third following behind was a male and approximately 6' foot tall.
Approximate time: 11:30 pm.
9. Nancy Davis, (Sue's sister-in-law) In bar 4/11/81 @ 2000 - 2330, man with floppy hat, faded blue jeans, blue shirt in bar.
NOTE: *"Tony the Greek" was a large man with a beard and dark hair who drove a pickup. Nobody says anything about a beard. You'd think they would if he was involved in ANY of this.
Date: Leaves Connecticut?
Date: Moves to trailer park?
1980: November, Moves to Keddie
1980: June? Sheila gets pregnant
1981: Feb. Sheila has baby in Oregon
Sue enrolled at FRC for $ (No doubt)
$250 from Navy. When did that start? First check? Paperwork takes a while. Doesn't happen overnight.
VEHICLES:
1. Truck: Suspect 1, Suspect 2
2. Tan car: Craig? Someone else?
3. Blue/Black car: (4 people including J & D?)
4. White and green blazer: owned by Vickie Krois's boyfriend
Whoever it was, they had time with Sue. Dana and Johnny happened fast.
People nobody is afraid of:
MMB, Seabolts, Meeks, Howard, Walke, Blaine, Jim Sharp
People some are afraid of:
Spang, Tony
People everyone is afraid of:
Sketchy guys from Oroville (even Spang! His story dribbled out.) (Marty wouldn't mess with them either. But hoodlums notice sketchy "people from Thunderbay")
Who needs to be reinterviewed:
1. Krois
2. JR.
3. Spang
4. Charles Meeks
5. Donna
*Why would Marty tell Justin to keep his mouth shut? Because he was guilty? Or...because he didn't want Justin to be next?
He wasn't the only one telling people to keep their mouth shut. What about Charles Meeks? (Charles told Lucie Shumway that he has been told to "keep his mouth shut," and that
someone had gone to his home and threatened his family.)
Others didn't need to be told. They just did. My dad sure sh*t would have told me the same thing. KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT.
The honeymoon might have been over for Marilyn, but it wasn't for Marty. They'd only been married for 3 years or so.
So, how many of Sue's "friends" ended up dead? And, then she does, too?
I think it would be wise to look at Sue's "friends" and their friends. Maybe look at Oroville crimes and surrounding areas.
Barney Johnson owned Sierra Sky Lodge in Cromberg. On 4/12/81 @ 0030 a man checked in with no luggage and no money, saying he just got out of jail.)
What jail? Doesn't have to be Plumas....if you know what I'm saying...Looking way back, someone wrote about four guys doing this crime and taking Tina to a motel. I thought it was pretty interesting. Was it believable? Ugh. All of it's believable. That's the problem.
Why would Sheila call Donna? Alyssa was her friend. But, she must have felt Donna knew something. Is that's why?
But, Donna did. Then she didn't. Then she did. Then she didn't.
Was Donna scared? Probably. She knew and then she didn't know and then she knew and then she didn't know. I wonder if she would know or not know today. Hope she got treatment.
"Who is this?" 9-9:30 (or so p.m.)
Sue was told (according to Sheila) that the boys would be home soon.
Did she call Sue or did Sue call her?
Let's say...Sue got a phone call...."Who is this??" Is Johnny there? What are you wearing? Who knows? But, it gave her the creeps whatever it was.
Sue sends all the kids to bed and calls Mama and asked if anyone over there knew where the boys were. Mama asks Wade who says they were on their way home.
Sue takes the phone off the hook and waits for the boys. No more creepy phone calls for her.
Why panic? The boys will be home soon.
Or, the two guys from the truck are already in her house and she calls Mama to see when the boys will be home. Maybe she threw her kid under the bus? Who knows? If the guys were already in the house she might have been "buying some time" by saying (idk) Johnny's got the money. He'll be home soon.
She had a knife to her throat. She had a slice there. Maybe the boys walked in and she turned (what mother wouldn't?) and it cut her neck. (And hair?) Johnny's wallet was thrown against the wall by the couch, like it was gone through and tossed (hard).
**Here's where I go wayyy back a few years in my thinking:
Did the boys come in the front door or go into Johnny's room downstairs first?
If Dana (as he claimed: Someone is after me) and Johnny (he was very nervous) saw the TRUCK out front of Sue's place....
They would definately go in the front door. Either they didn't know who it belonged to or they DID.
Thus: The carnage in the living room.
The lack of pictures of Johnny's room.
Meanwhile in Pleasantville, Marty, Bo, and Marilyn walk to the bar with their best outfits on. Walk Marilyn home and go back to the bar. On the road by #28. Not directly PASSED #28.
And, all's good in their p*ssant world. Until it's not.
I don't know.