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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 1, 2018 11:14:29 GMT -6
Was it something I [we] said? Snicker.
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Post by jmo on Jan 2, 2018 17:48:15 GMT -6
Was it?
By saying "I (we)" you must mean you. So, I'm curious, what have you done?
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Post by kmik on Jan 3, 2018 21:59:56 GMT -6
I'm curious also
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 5, 2018 7:58:13 GMT -6
Well, WE here have pretty thoroughly torn apart the frame around Marty and Bo. No one else did. Everyone else tried to jump on the bandwagon. Who knows? Maybe Gamberg really thought the case was solved, and now we've changed his mind about that. The way McNarie (and Mean Kitty) have screamed and cried and pissed about us, I'm sure Gamberg noticed.
And if Gamberg et al really didn't know who McNarie was, then maybe he and others were impressed by that detective work sufficiently that they took our work here seriously.
Oooorrrrr, maybe they did what I hoped they would do. Once they knew his real identity, they used their available tools and dug a little deeper into McNarie.
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Post by cancersucks on Jan 5, 2018 13:02:49 GMT -6
Yay! Finally the case is making some progress.
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Post by kmik on Jan 5, 2018 13:11:45 GMT -6
We (Kmik) jumped off the Marty bandwagon back in 2015 when it became obvious that there was really nothing tying Marty to these murders past Josh, the Meeks, and Marilyn. You brought a lot to MK's forum when you joined and opened our minds way beyond what we were looking at or wanted to admit was possible. But if I had to guess I'd say that Mike G doesn't even know this forum exists. Dmac made the mistake in late 2015 (in a moment of madness) of saying that a lot of us should go over to MK's forum and we did. So I doubt he's made that mistake again.
Mike asking for the help of VIDOCQ (which is the best thing to happen to this case) is probably because he has nothing to really tie anyone (besides the people already in 28) to the murders. Justin has told too many versions of what happened, Ricky has told nothing (I'm guessing), and if anyone's 1981 statement does not match what they are telling today then there's a problem. Maybe VIDOCQ can figure it all out.
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Post by jmo on Jan 6, 2018 16:47:39 GMT -6
I have to agree with you kmik. I'm quite sure Mike doesn't know this forum exists. If VID only gets info from Mike and David, it will just be the same ole same ole. I was hoping someone else had gotten in touch with them. They've "accepted" this case (what?) three times? The only difference (now) is "LE is cooperating"? I hope Mike has a backbone to stand up and speak to the FACTS but, from what we know of Mike that is questionable. Because that would also mean he would be speaking up AGAINST David. Does anyone really see that happening? Another thing: David said "the DNA sewed it up for him". What DNA? He never answers questions anymore unless you're one of his minions. So frustrating.
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Post by kmik on Jan 6, 2018 22:18:13 GMT -6
28 is most likely referring to Justin's DNA being the "clincher" for him. Why? It has been known since 1981 that Justin was in that house and claimed to have "witnessed" the murders.
Anyone moving an inch away from the "Marty Theory" would no doubt suffer the wrath.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 7, 2018 8:43:53 GMT -6
jmo: "I'm quite sure Mike doesn't know this forum exists." Oooooooooooooohhh, don't be QUITE sure ;-)
And I can assure you Gamberg knows David Craig McNarie is dmac, and he knows how he knows. So does Doug Thomas and a lot of of other people McNarie has libeled. And so does McNarie's ex-wife. (Just for snickers, ask him why he she left him.) And so does Josh Hancock. And so do the people McNarie owes money to. And according to McNarie himself, so do the FBI Phoenix office (oops. That just slipped out. Snicker.) You should read some of the direct emails McNarie sends me. He's quite the honeydripper.)
...aaaaaaaaaaaand so does Justin. Snicker.
Did Gamberg know already? Maybe. I assumed he did. But then again, maybe not. Did Justin? I'm 99 percent sure he did. But then again, maybe he didn't. But they definitely do know now, and they definitely know who else knows, and how. And they definitely know who's finding out. Be QUITE sure of that. And they know the frame around Marty and Bo is now a pile of ashes. Be even more sure about THAT.
Now, if YOU "know" something we don't, by all means, dazzle us. For example, are YOU Justin? Are YOU Gamberg? In any case, what's YOUR explanation for why Gamberg changed his mind about the case being "closed?"
Oh. I almost forgot. Gamberg and a lot of other people are going to be sorry they let Vidocq into this case. In the words of the late, great Richard Nixon, "You open up that scab, you'll uncover a lot of pus."
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Post by kmik on Jan 7, 2018 16:22:11 GMT -6
Tom I said the same thing about being quite sure that Gamberg doesn't know this forum exists. My reason for thinking that is this forum does not come up on a search of Keddie Murders. You posted your forum info on MK's but nobody really goes there anymore. So unless you posted on 28 that you had this forum I can't see Mike knowing anything about it.
I'd like to think Mike G would officially close the case if he considered it closed. Maybe he's seeking assistance because he has no DNA (or anything else beyond speculation) linking anyone to the murders - so at this point there's no evidence to close it and nothing to present to the DA.
Mike needed 28 because he needed his files back . And I totally agree with you about VIDOCQ possibly opening up a nasty wound.
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Post by cancersucks on Jan 8, 2018 18:02:37 GMT -6
Just putting my 2 cents in. I think there's a good chance that more people know about this forum and may post here or just lurk under user id's that mean nothing to us all. I'm really getting excited to see how things progress now.
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Post by jmo on Jan 8, 2018 22:07:27 GMT -6
Wow. I check in here once in a while. Boston sucks right now. But, Wahlberger's is amazeballs. Got a b-i-l thinking he's flying into NYC from S. Africa tomorrow so a big shout out to him. lol
I'm more of a scroller than a fighter and dazzler so...
I do have a thiiiinnnn tie to Quincy...none to Keddie...but I would like to see this case solved. No. I'm not Justin or Mike. I would have thought my correct use of their, they're, and there would have told you that. lol
Tom, your fight is with David, not with me or anyone else here. Cheers fella. No harm no foul. We can all move on.
Could Marilyn have done this on her own? I'd still check into Walter. Thoughts?
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Post by kmik on Jan 9, 2018 6:34:36 GMT -6
Anything's possible - I just don't see a reason for Marilyn to go to 28 and kill anybody then be back over at 26 early the next morning. I don't think she would have cared who Marty was seeing if he was seeing Sue (which we have zero proof of) - since she was more than likely seeing others herself.
I don't feel like Marty and Marilyn fought any harder or had anymore problems than most all of the people living in Keddie excluding the Seabolts (who I'm sure had their own problems - because nobody's family is perfect).
It just doesn't appear the police have anything to tie anyone (except the people who were already in 28) to these murders. I just can't see anybody going into that cabin, killing 3 and taking 1, cutting cords, unrolling and tearing medical tape, taking the phone off the hook, leaving behind weapons, blood smears on beds, door knobs, back post, and wall without leaving behind some kind of DNA. I know this was 1981 but it's 2018 now.
The most important thing that we all lack in looking at this case is every thing the police asked and found out about Tina. So many believe she was taken because she was a witness - well so was Justin - and he lived - which could not have had anything to do with being Marty's stepson because Ricky and Greg also lived and were nothing to Marty Smartt. There's just too much we don't know and too many people like the Meeks who completely derailed a documentary and a forum with their speculation.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 9, 2018 10:00:51 GMT -6
jmo: No worries. Everyone is welcome here, so long as they behave themselves. That includes McNarie himself.
Gamberg claims that Walter has always been a "cripple." Do you know if that's true?
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Post by jmo on Jan 9, 2018 10:45:25 GMT -6
The reason I'm thinking about Walter (and I could be way off here): Brothers will take the rap for brothers. I can't remember exactly how old Walter was at the time but I think he was right around Johnny's age? What made all of these people not speak of this crime? Let me speculate for a moment. Say Walter and Justin were involved. People were saying Justin had a crush on Tina and Tina had a crush on someone in the neighborhood. Could it have been Walter? Jumping ahead, if Walter and Justin were involved, that would give Marilyn a reason to protect Justin and Wade a reason to protect Walter. Could those two have been "called in" to "clean up". Did Justin go home and get Marilyn? We know Marty and Bo were at the bar. Marilyn could have asked Wade to help. And, why wouldn't he? He was in love with Marilyn and that was his brother. Could they have told Walter to lead Tina "down by the river" and she left with him only to be thought of as a witness to be gotten rid of? Did Wade sent Walter home and take care of Tina himself? He had a car and the means to do so. Wade could have told Walter Tina was "safe" for three years until her skull was found and by then even Walter wouldn't rat out Wade because he's be ratting on himself. And, for a guy that's got the hots for Marty's wife, Wade sure is helpful. Just seems awfully strange. Mama had no idea where her little chitlins were that night. She can't even keep her stories straight. They were here, they were there. What is Walter's timeline? Everybody had something to lose if they spoke up (with this scenerio). As far as Walter being a "cripple", he has a super bum arm. I don't know how that happened. But, as far as I know, it's just his arm. I knew a one armed arm wrestler back in the day that could whip people's butts. lol I don't think I'd exactly call him a cripple. But, whatdoiknow. This is rambling...just wanted to put it out there. Kmik, I sure do appreciate you answering my questions! What a buggered up case.
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