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Jul 6, 2017 14:09:04 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on Jul 6, 2017 14:09:04 GMT -6
Keddie28 has now told the DNA was linked to Justin. This is no revelation to many of us who have pretty much already figured that out. Meanie revealed to us long ago that the dna was matched to a living male who was not a threat to anyone. Since the person has not been arrested for these murders and Justin was so persistently interviewed it wasn't real hard to determine that's who it more than likely belonged to. Zodiac you nailed this early on when you said ( going only by the facts we have) that Justin should at the very least have been looked at. Marty had no reason to force Justin to participate and no assurance of keeping Ricky and Greg silent even after his death. We have believed for a long time that the DNA match is what has kept the police stumped for 36 years. No cover up just nobody willing to answer why it was there. And the answers that were given obviously did not match the evidence that the police have.
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Jul 7, 2017 8:45:40 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Jul 7, 2017 8:45:40 GMT -6
Forum members have demanded for years that Justin tell the truth about what happened in 28. Justin remaining silent for Marty or Marilyn makes perfect sense and fits the Marty theory very nicely. It DOES NOT explain why Ricky or Greg would remain silent for the killers of THEIR family for 36 years! Where is the public demand for them to tell the truth? When will they finally decide to break their silence and when will people finally admit that Justin is not the only one who knows what happened? Why is it that nobody wonders or questions what their reason is for remaining silent? Instead they choose to accept that they slept through all of this or that they were protecting Marty Smartt who was nothing to them?? Why is Justin the only one expected to tell the truth? Why?
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Jul 7, 2017 13:13:29 GMT -6
Post by stacey on Jul 7, 2017 13:13:29 GMT -6
I think you are right about the other boys knowing. It doesn't make sense for them to remain silent. I want to know why Dmac's friend Mike G would allow him, once again, to leak information that is vital to the case. If they have Justin's dna that should be all they need to wrap this case up neatly to fit the theory Dmac has pushed. This dna has not just suddenly come to light. The police have known this for years!!!!! Why no arrest? THREE BOYS know the truth. If there is to be a resolution to this case all three need to be brought in and the facts need to be presented to them. It has been said Justin was afraid of the police. Mike G is the only one working the case that was around during that time. As for coverup all I can see is THREE BOYS have covered up. But for who? Marty and Bo are dead!!! Marilyn, and company, ect. are too old to do anything! If Justin is waiting on his mommy to die what is Rick's excuse! Maybe the small boy doesn't remember, but I can't believe Rick does not know what happened in that cabin that night.
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Jul 7, 2017 19:47:02 GMT -6
Post by Admin Horan on Jul 7, 2017 19:47:02 GMT -6
The point to remember is, they think the DNA belongs to one of the KILLERS. Now, if that's Justin's DNA, then ... They would have found the DNA of Sue, the boys, the girls, and maybe Justin and the Meeks boys all over the house. But they have hinted around about DNA that they think specifically belongs to a KILLER, for whatever reason. Maybe it was on one or more murder weapons, on the bloodsoaked red shorts, the blood on the bathroom cabinet door, etc. So, if it really does belong to Justin, then there you go.
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Jul 8, 2017 5:01:52 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on Jul 8, 2017 5:01:52 GMT -6
You are right Zodiac! And Stacey you question what we question - why 3 boys lived and have never told what happened! Mike G continuing to let Dmac spout off only looks bad for PCSO. Ricky and Greg had no reason to cover for Marty Smartt killing their family! It just appears their silence is to protect their own not Marty. Yes if iMarty was the killer then why is it they haven't closed this case? I think Mike G hoped he could pull it out of Justin but that hasn't happened. We have said it before if Justin knows what happened then Ricky does too (unless he was drugged). We think that, along with DNA at the scene, is what keeps all who have investigated this case stumped! No cover up just hopping the 3 boys will someday talk. To believe there was a cover up in 81 is to say every investigator from past to present participated in this! That is almost equivalent to saying half of Quincy and Keddie was in tiny 28 participating in the murders. And we know that didn't happen no matter how hard Dmac tries to make it believable. The answer to the murders is probably why Doug T tried so persistently to get the truth from Justin. He knew that something in his stories was missing!
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Jul 12, 2017 17:23:53 GMT -6
Post by cancersucks on Jul 12, 2017 17:23:53 GMT -6
And, dead men can't hurt you. Ricky and Greg are now adults and have been for a long time. I'm sure they're not afraid to point the finger at a dead neighbor IF he was the guilty one. But, on the other hand, they may be afraid to talk about someone who's still alive and still a threat to them and their current families.
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Jul 12, 2017 21:36:28 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Jul 12, 2017 21:36:28 GMT -6
Well I can't speak for any of them but they didn't seem to be worried about being harmed when Justin appeared on the documentary and Ricky did the cabin walk through. Greg was there also because there is a picture in Josh's book of Sheila, Ricky and Greg during the filming.
People have often talked of repressed memories but after 2 documentaries and everything that has happened in the last year you'd think the memories would have come flooding back. Just often wonder if it's something that they'd just rather forget. I'm not sure that Sheila even really knows if Ricky or Greg know anything.
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Jul 13, 2017 3:27:33 GMT -6
Post by cancersucks on Jul 13, 2017 3:27:33 GMT -6
I'd considered repressed memories as well. But, as you've said, after the walkthrough and documentaries, not to mention the publicity and new sheriff with questions, I'd think it would come back. Also, it would really be 2 people with repressed memories of the same event - Ricky and Greg. I still remember people and places from when I was 4 years old. Something like seeing my mother, brother and friend murdered would definitely be stuck in my mind. I guess I should say that it would have been clear then but maybe not 36 yrs. later.
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Jul 13, 2017 5:12:01 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Jul 13, 2017 5:12:01 GMT -6
Yes it would mean that both of them have had repressed memories from day one. I don't understand why Ricky doesn't question Justin as to how he (Justin) was able to hear and witness these murders yet he (Ricky) wasn't. Why is it they never challenge Justin on the stories he has told and how he was able to witness these murders and live? Why is it they don't publically ask him if Marty Smartt is the killer? Are they scared of Justin? Are they scared of what he will tell? He's the one person who claims to have witnessed parts of the murders yet they have no questions (for the one person who saw their family being murdered) that they would like for him to answer for them?
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Jul 13, 2017 8:32:45 GMT -6
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Post by cancersucks on Jul 13, 2017 8:32:45 GMT -6
Exactly. This is why I think there's a whole lot more that LE hasn't let out. How could they not ask questions, interview, interrogate, etc especially as new LE took over?
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Jul 31, 2018 18:05:11 GMT -6
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Post by raemen2 on Jul 31, 2018 18:05:11 GMT -6
Does anyone have any thoughts on the DNA evidence that has been linked to a living suspect (Justin, according to Keddie28). I was just reading that over 26 cold cases in Northern CA have been solved in the past few years, some dating back to the late 1960's, through recent DNA matches. Am I guessing correctly that DNA evidence matched must be explainable (if it was indeed Justin's DNA he has already confirmed that he touched Sue, so if found anywhere on Sue that would be explainable). Do you think any POI would voluntarily turn over a swab, especially in light of all of the corruption and ineptness levied against LE for so many years? Could the match belong to someone who is or was incarcerated- I think California has collected DNA from felons and sex offenders for a few decades now.. it just seems like to me, this is becoming another dead end in this case.
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Apr 7, 2021 23:51:38 GMT -6
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Post by snoho17 on Apr 7, 2021 23:51:38 GMT -6
"The hairs were examined for any root material. One root was observed on a hair collected from John Sharp's hands. These is not enough root material on the hair for DNA analysis. No roots were observed on the remaining hair." From the 2004 evidence freezer defrosting, wonder where that hair is now?
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Apr 9, 2021 19:13:19 GMT -6
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Post by hope on Apr 9, 2021 19:13:19 GMT -6
Great question. If that hair is still around...they don't even need root material nowadays. So do the hairs still exist?
I can't help but wonder why there appears to be so many items that could potentially hold DNA evidence yet they're not being tested. Regardless of if the hair is still around or not, there are other options. We hear about the financial cost & newer cases taking priority. Yet they were able to have some letters from Marty sent for testing. The tape was a good try, but that was how long ago! Cold cases are being solved all the time. Cases older than this and with less evidence. There is funding available for these small departments that can't afford the costs. I wish PCSO would take em up on it.
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