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Post by kmik on Jun 20, 2017 15:46:48 GMT -6
The Love Letter, the corruption, and the Therapist confession are what many consider "evidence" against Marty Smartt. We do not have the account that the therapist gave to Josh Hancock on this site. While it is extremely interesting, as are many things told in this case, we have to take into account that this man was remembering a series of weekly sessions he had with Marty, some 28+ years before, without any notes to verify what he was saying. It's often hard to remember what happened last week so remembering an event, word for word, years later would be even harder and probably less accurate.
The timeline has statements made by Marty that are not in his infamous interview. I feel that the DOJ did check out this "confession", much like Henry T.'s was checked out. We have no idea what he said to the DOJ because we do not have that interview.
As for corruption we have begged for someone to pinpoint any corruption that was connected in any way to the murders and it has yet to be done. Don Stoy referring Princess to Mike Gamberg was exactly what he should have done as that was who was investigating the case. Harry Bradley being contacted by some unknown person(s) and asked questions about an open murder case, that he had not investigated for years, and responding that he never worked for the DOJ and did not remember a lot about the case, was brilliant. He owned nobody anything.
Crimm and Bradley were called in, according to the April 15, 1981 FRB article, at the beginning of the week. Marilyn did not mention Marty or Bo to the police until April 22,1981, after Wade and Marty's jailhouse exchange on April 18, 1981 (days after the FRB said Crimm and Bradley were called in). Marty and Bo were on nobody's radar (except the Meeks and Marilyn) before April 22, 1981. Crimm and Bradley were more than likely called in just like Larry Ott and Dick Donner. Doug Thomas had a triple murder with a missing 12 year old girl. If there is any corruption related to this case it has never been explained. If anyone knows of any we'd love to hear it - but only if it's related to the Keddie murders.
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Post by kmik on Jun 24, 2017 16:47:58 GMT -6
According to her old post (and not the documentary) we can't even really say that Marty was on Glenna Meek's radar:
23, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: stalemate
yes when i talked to M on the phone. she said marty done them. I ask her if she was all right. No she was afraid of marty. ask her if she wanted to come to town. I went out and picked her up. as far as believing her, best i can answer is yes and no. yes, given how he felt about sue, and his attitude, he could be capable of it. and it did cross my mind he probably did it. No I can't say as I believe her, knew how marilyn wanted to get out from under marty. that maybe she was pushing this as a way to do so. That crossed my mind also.
It was almost dark (dusk)when he got to my house. He started in with me to take him to keddie. I told him no. I did not want to. The thought was there, he could of done it. I kept telling him no.
He was so high like a mad man. Kept stating he had to finish what he started. diff. words but with the same meaning. Have to go, Have to go tonight, I have something i have to do...etc. This is what convinced me that he did them. when I made the remark "there is someone out there killing people. that he didn't need to go out there" That i would take him in the morning.It was used as a excuse not for me not to take him. I wasn't trying to protect him, I was trying to protect myself. I all ready knew and i wasn't going any where with him. Kept telling him in the morning. This was the only thing i said that seemed to have and affect in his thinking. It was about 11-12 that when he finally gave in. and agreed he would stay. Yes, i was afraid of him but every one in the house was up. I remember thinking 'He couldn't hurt any one because there was to many of us, and at least i would know where he was at.
No i didn't tell the police that day, the day she came to my house. I knew also marilyn had talked to them early that morn. Like I said there was some kind of a doubt there. It was that night that i was convienced. I was sure that the police would come to my house the next morning.
No marlyn didn't talked to jim before I brought her to my house. He had went out Martys house before we came home. They didn't good wood cuting. This was when jim saw the shoes in the burning leaves.
You know I think back now, I should have call the police that night. The murders had already been comitted. but maybe they would have caught him then. To much happening I guess. I don't know.
Love to read the old post. They usually typed so much that they started to contradict their own selves. In the above post Glenna said that Marilyn is the first one who said that Marty did it (I have also read Marilyn say that Glenna is the who started saying it was Marty). Glenna thought he could be capable of murdering Sue because of his attitude but she also knew that Marilyn was looking for a way to get away from him. (and I guess she also knew Wade was seeing Marilyn).
It's weird to think that Marty came back from his trip "high" pacing to get back to Keddie and she didn't demand he leave her house or order Jim her ex to take him to Keddie? Somebody drove him to the Meek's house and could have driven him to Keddie if he had really needed to get back and take care of business. She knew after this episode that he was guilty but didn't even pick up the phone and call the police because there was too much happening? She instead laid down to sleep in a house, and allowed her family to lay down to sleep in a house, with a man she thought had just murdered her best friend, her son's best friend, Dana Wingate, and Tina and waited for the police to come to her?? It make absolutely no sense at all!
She also wrote a post about Marty standing across the street from the Meek's home (the next week?) and threatening all of them to the point that Jim the ex sat at the door with a gun. She also goes on to say that she actually kind of felt sorry for Marty when this happened because she knew what Marilyn had done to him.
So I don't know that he was ever really on her radar. Maybe she just didn't want herself or any of her boys to be.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 26, 2017 20:16:28 GMT -6
Your logic is impeccable. IF Glenna Meeks thinks Marty might have killed a woman and her kid, then why MAKE him stay in HER house with HER kids? Let him go, for the love of Pete.
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Post by cancersucks on Jul 12, 2017 17:16:29 GMT -6
I don't know about you but I'd MAKE a murderer stay in my house with my kids....rolls eyes. Come on.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 13, 2017 12:25:56 GMT -6
Another thing is, Marty was ALWAYS wound up tight, right? Several people have gone on and on about how "weird" he acted beginning Saturday night--Sunday morning and after, but nobody ever talks about his "normal" behavior. SUPPOSEDLY he ran around Phoenix and Burney Falls trying to blow up people and run them over with cars, so how is his behavior the weekend of April 11-12 any different? SUPPOSEDLY, Marty tried to kill a whole bunch of people, but where are the victims? No assaults, no murders, no arsons, no explosions, just DUI's and complaints about his erratic and loud behavior. In jail for a DUI the week after the murder, he shouted a lot, but he didn't even assault the cop who arrested him. So he was spun out half the time. So was half the county. And his "therapist" at no point gently suggested that maybe Marty go inpatient for a while.
There are PLENTY of suspects with REAL histories of violent crime who acted a LOT more suspicious than Marty that weekend. And the only "witnesses" of Marty's "suspicious" behavior are the two biggest and least reliable mouths in the county. If "Jim the Ex" had such damning testimony to give about Martin's behavior, then WHY DIDN'T HE TELL THE POLICE? If he existed at all.
Remember, Marty's STATED REASON for letting himself be talked into seeing a therapist in the first place was a lie about having PTSD from Vietnam. Now, maybe for Marty, Vietnam was scary, whether he was in "combat" or not. But if he told one lie to get sympathy from his therapist, why not two? If that was really Marty who made that phone call. Marty made many, many, many verbal threats against people. But he never actually hurt anybody, right?
IF there really was a "Jim the Ex," and IF he was in Keddie that weekend, then why all the secrecy and cloak and dagger? Is he a possible SUSPECT?
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Post by cancersucks on Jul 13, 2017 15:24:10 GMT -6
Jim the ex was my first choice for a suspect for a long time because it didn't appear like someone broke in and because the boys were left alive and never talked.
I've heard all you said about Marty and to me, I think he was just all bark and no bite. He didn't have a record for violent crimes. A DUI - big deal. That has absolutely nothing to do with violence. So he screamed at Wade Meeks - yeah, I would too if my wife was sleeping with him. But he had every opportunity to hurt him whether it be beating him, running over him with a car, killing him, and nothing. He did nothing but scream for a good reason.
I don't think the therapist's statements are worth anything. He must not have seen a hint of violence or he would have had him sectioned. Who knows who made that call. Maybe it was Wade getting back at Marty.
And then there's Bo. Let's not forget him. Are we supposed to believe that a stranger from away shows up, flops on a family's couch then proceeds to murder their welfare neighbor and her kids? And then what, no prior history, no later history.
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Post by kmik on Jul 13, 2017 15:43:46 GMT -6
So true about Marty. Blaine said in a post that people on the forum had made Marty sound like he was (I'm paraphrasing here because I can't remember his wording)some big bad guy when actually he was just a guy who liked to run his mouth a lot. This was coming from someone who said he didn't even like Marty. Dmac and forum members have made it appear he was 6ft tall and bulletproof when the truth is, like you said, we know of no one who was harmed by him - before or after.
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Post by cancersucks on Jul 13, 2017 16:50:19 GMT -6
I've heard 2 other people, not Blaine, say that Marty was pretty mild except for his mouth. But like I've said before, some of the things he supposedly said were the same stupid phrases my dad used to say at that time as well.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 14, 2017 11:07:10 GMT -6
Now, there is, of course, one other possibility, and that is, Martin did have SOMETHING to do with what happened. He supposedly once threatened to "break Johnny's hands." Well, so did a lot of other people. "True" or not, Johnny was CERTAINLY getting a reputation for being a straight up thief. His new "best friend," Dana, was most definitely a thief on probation. Suppose Marty, who baaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrreeeelllllllly made a living as a cook until he was let go, had to make money somehow, and several people have credibly said he was selling drugs. Judging by his behavior, I'd say he was also sniffing up all the profits.
Suppose "somebody" fronted Marty (and Bo--maybe even, on Bo's recommendation) a considerable quantity of disco biscuits, and when they came to collect payment/retrieve their inventory, he pointed them in the direction of the "known" drug ripper offers Johnny Sharp and Dana Wingate? That is, did Marty FRAME Johnny/Dana for a ripoff? And when they, and Sue and Tina, ended up dead, he felt guilty about it? And remember, Johnny was "missing" the EXACT SAME WEEK Marty went to Reno and came back with Bo. The time between their departure and the night of the murder is juuuuuuuuuuuussssssst about how long it would take "somebody" to come looking for their money...And why Marty and Bo would quickly absent themselves from the vicinity. If he still owed "somebody" money, did he pay off his debt by taking the heat for the murder?
Marty picks up "somebody" and drops them off at Cabin 28 and then makes SURE everybody at the Backdoor REMEMBERS him being there at the time of the murders. Did Marty KNOW that Justin was going to sleep over at the Sharp's? Was his insistence on Sue coming out to the Backdoor an attempt to SAVE her from being killed? Remember, Tina being in the house was a last-second change of plans. Suppose Marty knew that Tina usually spent Saturday nights at the Seabolts. Not only were her plans changed, but Tina went to what's-their-names house to bring Greg home sort of at the last minute, right? Was Justin supposed to keep Ricky [and Greg?] in the boys room, or maybe even, get them to "sneak" out with him after Sue had left with Bo and Marty?
The "plan" was for Johnny and Dana to be in Cabin 28 alone? But Sue, maybe out of dumb luck, queered the plan after the last second? And after it was too late to change the plan, tragedy ensued?
Is that so hard to believe?
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Post by kmik on Jul 14, 2017 12:05:14 GMT -6
We've entertained a lot of hard to believe theories so no it's not. If this actually happened do you think Tina came out of her room and they took her - and Justin jjust walked around in the living room ,after they left , leaving his DNA behind?
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Post by cancersucks on Jul 14, 2017 14:25:10 GMT -6
Well, what an idea! I love it. I'll have to chew on it for a while but it's very well thought out! One question comes to my mind though. If it did happen this way, do you think the killers would still look for Marty for money? If so, didn't he go right to Chico or somewhere and work a carnival or be in public as the town crier?
I'm going to send you both a private message.
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Post by kmik on Sept 18, 2017 20:57:23 GMT -6
There is really no need to move from point A straight to point Z if Justin's DNA really has been confirmed as being in the crime scene area. Why waste time speculation on who ELSE was in Cabin 28 that night? Until the police figure out what Justin was doing in the living room while the murders were being committed and what Ricky was doing in the bedroom while the murders were being committed the case will probably remain unsolved for at least 36 more years. Why in the world would they even consider moving on to potential suspects when A: they obviously do not have DNA matching anyone else B: three children were left alive in that cabin that have yet to fully admit what they really know or admit they were even awake.
I don't mind saying that Ricky should give an account of ANYTHING he knows. Sheila already posted years ago that she thought he did know something and Josh also posted that Ricky said he could be the key to solving this case. If this is true then Ricky needs to step up and help solve the murder of his family and Dana. What in the world could possibly hold him back from doing that?
The public has spent years bouncing suspects names around and expecting very little from the very people who should have, at the very least, some knowledge of what happened that night. What keeps Sheila, Ricky, or Greg from publically BEGGING Justin to tell the truth? Really? Many victims families would be screaming from the rooftop and demanding some answers. What exactly is it that keeps them from doing that???
How can anyone worry about Marty Smartt or anyone else when the police haven't even been able to figure out Justin (or Ricky) in 36 years?
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Post by kmik on Oct 20, 2017 21:05:41 GMT -6
After peeling away the layers of a post I read today I'm assuming Mike G. has (and has had for a while) the documents filed by Crim and Bradley that discredit Marty's Reno confession?? So much for all the speculation that the DOJ never contacted Marty after meeting with the therapist. Where does that leave the conspiracy now? Why would the DOJ, Doug Thomas, Don Stoy, past and present PCSO, etc., conspire to cover for Marty or Bo (2 unknown men with nothing to their name)?
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Post by jmo on Oct 24, 2017 13:39:20 GMT -6
Exactly, Kmik. Not even a grand jury looked at this and that only takes someone pointing a finger and speculating. So, why? It's a small place. If they could have hung this on Marde and Bo, they would have....
But, you know who can run amuck, even in small towns? Rotten to the core spoiled rich kids that have dads and grandpas with money and/or power. Anyone fit that discription in Quincy in April of '81? Any of them suddenly decide to change locations shortly after? hmmmm...
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Post by kmik on Oct 24, 2017 15:18:14 GMT -6
We think the police were and still are questioning what Justin, Ricky, and Greg know. If they couldn't even get info from Ricky who was there how in the world could this investigation move any further out? It's almost like a brick wall. No evidence indicating anyone else and Ricky Sharp saying he slept through it (and maybe he did?).
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